From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 00:39:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB4CE92253 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14B786AE61 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id MkAeeI05EfiK5MkAheWqEm; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:36:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eMkDW-0006Wk-Le for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:39:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Flavors *COMPLETELY* break the port system (synth and poudriere are useless) To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <7a9a2753-6460-a2bf-5156-5eab92a0b2f8@FreeBSD.org> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:39:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIrWN3iBfYYSXfndIg/evGROjv4/YHOfpxHr75gcG+ZBbOssJdjMrO2vmtWQL6jZgkv3Eqm3EyRdx6NJy/jaswUMtXEr1rB+cXFupP7Y7EjTN8gyZm+T NnvlaURfcOx3ROYsPyq1q2PBOWDZ1/yacsur8MWkYjOxxdu6t34eE35kwYvq5CWMb+Y9HQISvnNvpmQ254WfeRZE0VFIEF0zxhU= X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:39:15 -0000 On 12/6/2017 6:36 PM, Mel Pilgrim wrote: > On 12/5/2017 2:09 PM, Mathieu Arnold wrote: >> Le 05/12/2017 à 10:53, Aryeh Friedman a écrit : >>> TL;DR; >>> Flavors 'ed up ports and there are no good ways/alternates >>> for how >>> to use the ports collection for normal everyday users/maintainers >> >> >> Thank you for supporting all the hard work and countless hours that so >> many volunteers put in making the ports tree better. >> >> It really helps motivate all of us continue bringing the ports tree >> forward when we get emails with so much joy and positive attitude. > > FWIW, I've been chomping at the bit to try out flavours. > > As for those complaining about, it's a remarkably small number of very > loud people, but that's how it always is. > I can say that I do get a laugh out them say poudriere is too much > work, then insist on building everything from scratch or even bailing > FreeBSD for LFS or Gentoo... ;) I never said that "poudriere is too much work"  Should users not be able to reproduce the current packages? It is trival on linux to do that, FreeBSD not so much. I would rather have a rock solid base as which to start from then what exists currently in FreeBSD. At least Linux works with most current hardware........