From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 23:58:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A071563 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B5C2488 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140710235815.RSOL18526.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:58:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.3.22] ([72.219.202.186]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id QnyE1o00T41obj401nyECM; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:58:15 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.53BF2897.001A,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=H/cFNZki c=1 sm=1 a=k40gPPfQ5QH6qv5U/EJc3Q==:17 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=f5xKl4ys9bwA:10 a=poYb7sIEdpsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=Wajolswj7cQA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=HjEgb3SSAAAA:8 a=yFAdIGmQAAAA:8 a=quTYLnpBfet3S0qcroIA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=h5Q9gI9EKS8A:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=__daLkwkpeoA:10 a=k40gPPfQ5QH6qv5U/EJc3Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <53BF28D1.8010604@cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 19:59:13 -0400 From: "John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell" Reply-To: johnandsara2@cox.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CFR] Remove texinfo from base References: <20140625103107.GB23976@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20140625104540.GE86779@over-yonder.net> <20140625105209.GC23976@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20140625110049.GF86779@over-yonder.net> <40EA1066-4776-4B2E-988A-9900BB842862@bsdimp.com> <20140625154758.GD23976@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:05:16 +0000 Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:58:16 -0000 Warner Losh wrote: > On Jun 25, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 08:20:41AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: >>> On Jun 25, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:52:10PM +0200 I heard the voice of >>>> Baptiste Daroussin, and lo! it spake thus: >>>>> I have just committed the support for this in ports, anyway breakage >>>>> should be reported, right now it seems fine on my exp-run >>>> Oh, yes. Sorry, I did phrase that poorly. This shouldn't _break_ >>>> anything, but I suspect it will uncover existing-but-hidden breakage. >>>> >>>> Which is good. But does merit awareness that "hey, this will probably >>>> happen somewhere, so know this is a place to look when a build >>>> breaks". >>> I know it will break certain nanobsd configurations that build ports because >>> dependencies there (at least for the ones I’ve done) aren’t well handled. So >>> I agree that this patch is missing, at the very least, an UPDATING entry and >>> a __FreeBSD_version bump. >> If you build a port that needs texinfo the port framework will do what it needs > > Except in environments that don’t do dependencies quite right, or where only a subset > of ports tree has been imported and texinfo isn’t part of that… But people with them > usually know, which is why UPDATING is needed. That’s all. There’s nothing else for you > to do. > > Warner i a few times heard there was and IS a long standing stand-off between info(1) and man(1) because man was copyright at least in part and further reasons that were not discussed. remove the ability to look at existing info pages of say m4.info why? replace it with what ? i'm impartial. i like both, made a manpage maker, would like a good info editor haven't come across yet. coolman in nonfree, tkinfo is free. debian won't allow manpages on it's user groups do you know anything about this standoff between the online page and online manual systems ? are you saying that whatever microbsd prefers should be the base of bsd ? is microbsd used by Apple or something ?