From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 1 12:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70E516A408 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh2.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B4043D72 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:22:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by mh2.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41CMkBO059846; Mon, 1 May 2006 07:22:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <4455FD95.3080001@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 07:22:45 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060402) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <445581DE.50901@centtech.com> <20060501052755.GA88897@gothmog.pc> <4455D576.2020000@dial.pipex.com> <20060501101544.GA51137@gothmog.pc> <20060501032910.B48307@xorpc.icir.org> <20060501104840.GA55248@gothmog.pc> In-Reply-To: <20060501104840.GA55248@gothmog.pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1433/Mon May 1 03:10:05 2006 on mh2.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Alex Zbyslaw , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot manager beep (revisited) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:22:57 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-05-01 03:29, Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:15:44PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> ... >>> I'd certainly prefer it if the beep was turned *off* by default, >>> but I'm not sure if that's what everyone prefers. This is why I >>> opted for keeping the current behavior and making my personal >>> preference an option :) >> i do prefer it off. >> and my laptop has no volume control available at boot. >> many new laptops have everything in software, which means >> very little controls available at boot time. > > I know the feeling. The lack of a control in my laptop was what > initially prompted me to look at ways to turn it off :) Me too. I have no way to turn it off in the BIOS. Does having a beep at the boot prompt really help out those who are visually impaired? Seem that there are 100 other hurdles that would make that pretty much useless in the end. As far as headless booting, the beep is nice, but could be an optional loader.conf tweak that enables a kernel beep instead, right? I have lots of headless machines, and a beep is barely heard over the roar of thousands of hard drives and many tens of tons of AC rumbling. Maybe an alternate option is to compile both the beeping and a beepless boot loader, and have the boot0cfg program install the right one depending on a command line option? Hmm.. Maybe that's too cheesy.. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------