From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 21 11:15:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC19037B424 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13cAsI-000NiO-00; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:15:11 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8LIGWl02114; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:16:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:16:32 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Matthew Jacob Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: end of life for DEC branded Alphas (and Tru64) (fwd) Message-ID: <20000921201632.L1760@freebie.demon.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 09:43:36PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 09:43:36PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: Sigh.. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:51:02 -0400 (EDT) > From: William H. Magill > Reply-To: axp-list@redhat.com > To: axp-list@redhat.com > Subject: end of life for DEC branded Alphas (and Tru64) > > My understanding is that any EV56 or earlier processor will no longer be > supported by Tru64 after 5.1 (and depending on how you read the 5.1 release > notes, NOT in 5.1) Which is a *wrong* understanding. Just read Tom's words carefully. Oracle may be moving, there is nothing that says T64 does the same. What Tom writes is that the Turbochannel I/O bus machines are end of support. And DEC2000 (Jensen & Culzean) which are EISA-only. TC based boxes are just marginally useful on FreeBSD to start with: the SCSI CAM subsystem does not support TC based SCSI adapters. Jensen is not supported at all. > This implies that there will be a LOT of 1000A's hitting the market > in the not too distant future. (There are supposedly "thousands" > of them in use by various telcos.) The 1000As are a nice box. Lots of PCI > slots. Guess what: 1000A are PCI/EISA machines right? Where does it say PCI boxes are being retired?? > ----------< Forwarded Message Follows >---------- > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:24:11 -0400 > From: "Dr. Tom Blinn, 603-884-0646" > Subject: Tru64 UNIX V5.1 and TruCluster software > To: tru64-unix-managers@ornl.gov > > Rich asked: > > > Just curious if anyone has the status on whether > > 5.1 has been qualified and is shipping yet? > > Yes, kits are starting to ship. I've received my shipment, and once > the internal distribution is complete, they start shipping customer > updates. Someone asked about fibre channel arbitrated loop for the > TruCluster product, and that's still in testing, so the statement of > support for that isn't ready, but otherwise, the TruCluster product > is also out and ready to go. > > By the way, V5.1 is the last release that will support the older > "DEC" branded Alpha systems (the ones that do NOT have PCI buses > for I/O -- the DEC 2000, DEC 3000, DEC 4000, DEC 7000/10000). We > announced in the V5.0A release notes that support would be removed > in a future release, and in the V5.1 notes that V5.1 is the last > release to support those older systems. Bear in mind that all of > these systems ARE supported in the V4.0G release, and that V4.0G > is planned to have a long service life. If you are using one of > these older systems and have not yet decided to move to V5.x, you > might be better off moving to V4.0G than to V5.0 or V5.0A or V5.1. > > I have also heard reports that Oracle Corporation may be retiring > their support for the older CPU models that did not support byte > and double-byte (8 bit and 16 bit) operations (LCA, EV4, EV45, EV5). > If you are using Oracle software on older systems using those old > CPU designs, you may wish to check with Oracle on their intentions > for future support. > > Tom > > Dr. Thomas P. Blinn + UNIX Software Group + Compaq Computer Corporation > 110 Spit Brook Road, MS ZKO3-2/W17 Nashua, New Hampshire 03062-2698 -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message