From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 28 15:31:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8918637B5D8 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 15:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06040; Mon, 29 May 2000 08:31:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdeQ6035; Mon May 29 08:31:15 2000 Message-ID: <003f01bfc8f4$f5a59c30$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "leegold" , References: <000501bfc8f2$e3ea30c0$cedda4d8@leegold1> Subject: Re: any good books? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:34:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whilst I agree with you in principle, as do many people new to both unix & FreeBSD, there have been countless similar comments over the years and nothing much has changed. Well thats not strictly correct ... there have been a few attempts at creating intelligible docs, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any attempt at recording where they all are. However the ONLY way I can see any improvement is to stop complaining & do something positive about improving things ...... its obvious that the experts don't perceive the need for step_by_step docs, but the compliments I've received from my attempts to produce something a bit more newbie-friendly clearly demonstrate the need for similar stuff. My main problem is lack of time ..... if any other newbies feel inclined to assist I would appreciate their comments. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leegold" To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 8:20 AM Subject: Re: any good books? > imo, i have not seen any what i would call good documentation for fbsd (and > linux) for the neophyte. of course it could be that i am stupid and do not > have the mental capacity to understand the documentation (of course it > would help if walnut creek had not sent me ver 4.0 w/the complete bsd book - > since their are signbificant changes in the install from 3.x.x ), but all > documentation i see assumes sysadmin level knowledge. plus most levels of > conversation also assumes pro level knowledge. > > plus, most doucumentation and support i hsve seen so far in the open/fee > software realm is either incomplete ( sometimes only a cheesy/lazily written > readme.txt), or assumes some mystic divination on the part of the user > again maybe i'm just stupid), or prof/ sysadmin knowledge. > > So in a nutshell, i think there there are NO good intro books on any flavor > of x86 unix.. they all suck - i can't fathom any of the hundred or so i've > seen on linux or freebsd. > > when documenting try a tree stucture, then any of the deviations of the path > will take care of themselves - naw -that would make to much sense. > > guess i must be a stupid mofo. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message