From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 11 00:09:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58C749C1 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x22f.google.com (mail-we0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD9E12582 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id k48so306534wev.34 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:09:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=GahqaULmaF6rpR/wWGhA321hrGgsSZYPFgkV8fZaMJ4=; b=JEe2GycLlkb2N2F9gLPi86su5yhlECY/S33Jixw/NPCLArGqrA/hBAM4GjKwzHDW+p HpYkac71nsEnqXuiLKgfNabL89IGLvh7SPncClbZxhyCpxZ0pEBv4XHo0y6Qrgh2PCrW H18C1rTlAhDJ1P9UD4yjkwecKyWFBW5KmujglCr1DmG1QWy8R7U68YVquaajk0V1dFm1 5ZqPna2T44KiTD6CXahCRZrm+tJSYZfIdBo4+ZbYvdwh5ZCdHi9JdliTmIHgBWSM6bIl Xtn1oqbKRAYPspaDQX2QdqFlFG4wwFH7ud7JqEdCuQxUgueOSBOfOppMcewqGD+deKSM erhg== X-Received: by 10.180.19.1 with SMTP id a1mr422574wie.16.1405037340333; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ivaldir.etoilebsd.net ([2001:41d0:8:db4c::1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rw4sm1412460wjb.44.2014.07.10.17.08.58 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 02:08:56 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: "John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell" Subject: Re: [CFR] Remove texinfo from base Message-ID: <20140711000856.GH93051@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <20140625103107.GB23976@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20140625104540.GE86779@over-yonder.net> <20140625105209.GC23976@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20140625110049.GF86779@over-yonder.net> <40EA1066-4776-4B2E-988A-9900BB842862@bsdimp.com> <20140625154758.GD23976@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <53BF28D1.8010604@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/9ZOS6odDaRI+0hI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53BF28D1.8010604@cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:09:03 -0000 --/9ZOS6odDaRI+0hI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 07:59:13PM -0400, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darn= ell wrote: > Warner Losh wrote: > > On Jun 25, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrot= e: > >=20 > >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 08:20:41AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > >>> On Jun 25, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:52:10PM +0200 I heard the voice of > >>>> Baptiste Daroussin, and lo! it spake thus: > >>>>> I have just committed the support for this in ports, anyway breakage > >>>>> should be reported, right now it seems fine on my exp-run > >>>> Oh, yes. Sorry, I did phrase that poorly. This shouldn't _break_ > >>>> anything, but I suspect it will uncover existing-but-hidden breakage. > >>>> > >>>> Which is good. But does merit awareness that "hey, this will probab= ly > >>>> happen somewhere, so know this is a place to look when a build > >>>> breaks". > >>> I know it will break certain nanobsd configurations that build ports = because > >>> dependencies there (at least for the ones I=E2=80=99ve done) aren=E2= =80=99t well handled. So > >>> I agree that this patch is missing, at the very least, an UPDATING en= try and > >>> a __FreeBSD_version bump. > >> If you build a port that needs texinfo the port framework will do what= it needs > >=20 > > Except in environments that don=E2=80=99t do dependencies quite right, = or where only a subset > > of ports tree has been imported and texinfo isn=E2=80=99t part of that= =E2=80=A6 But people with them > > usually know, which is why UPDATING is needed. That=E2=80=99s all. Ther= e=E2=80=99s nothing else for you > > to do. > >=20 > > Warner >=20 > i a few times heard there was and IS a long standing stand-off between=20 > info(1) and man(1) because man was copyright at least in part and=20 > further reasons that were not discussed. >=20 > remove the ability to look at existing info pages of say m4.info why? We do not have m4.info pages and so for a while :) in base because we do not have GNU m4 in base. >=20 > replace it with what ? >=20 > i'm impartial. i like both, made a manpage maker, would like a good=20 > info editor haven't come across yet. coolman in nonfree, tkinfo is=20 > free. debian won't allow manpages on it's user groups >=20 > do you know anything about this standoff between the online page and=20 > online manual systems ? >=20 > are you saying that whatever microbsd prefers should be the base of bsd ? >=20 > is microbsd used by Apple or something ? [...] skipping the above because I don't understand how it comes to the conversation. If you want to read info pages just install texinfo from ports or add WITH_= INFO in your src.conf. regards, Bapt --/9ZOS6odDaRI+0hI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlO/KxgACgkQ8kTtMUmk6Ez/JQCeM/A+NdQ4C59Chwdw9l/q177i E+oAnRBdt+bCnhWUTYuQrDPdyVxYu25/ =ODPr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/9ZOS6odDaRI+0hI--