From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 21 17:31:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5C11594A for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:31:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:31:16 -0800 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Brett Glass" Cc: Subject: RE: Marketing vs. technical superiority (was: Judge: "Gates Was Main Culprit") Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:31:16 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bf3489$45438500$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991121181156.047209f0@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 12:59 PM 11/21/1999 -0800, David Schwartz wrote: > > > Do you have any evidence to support the claim that > Liebowitz and Margolis > >distorted their results in any way? > > Read them. Their writings don't just toe the Microsoft party > line; they make > patently ridiculous statements so as to do so. In other words, they disagree with you. In your opinion, anyone who disagrees with you is making "patently ridiculous statments" and the only question is who paid them to do so. > What's more, the authors are paid handsomely by Microsoft, and > flown all over > the country, to present Microsoft's corporate PR party line. I'm not going to dispute that with you. It may or may not be true (personally, I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me). But it doesn't prove that they distorted their results in any way, does it? > Liebowitz, who works at UT Austin, has even instituted courses on subjects > such as Web page design which INTENTIONALLY EXCLUDE information > on non-Microsoft > products and on cross-platform compatibility. In particular, the > Web page design > course omitted Java and JavaScript, focusing instead on the use > of VBScript, > ASPs, and FrontPage (which is designed to format content so that it cannot > be displayed properly by other browsers. And you, I'm sure, would do the reverse. Does this prove that you are on Sun's payroll? Would you teach VBScript or ASP? If I gave such a course, I'd cover the HTML standard, JavaScript, and a bit of Java. I wouldn't cover ASP at all. I don't think I'd cover VBScript either. This is simply because I despise them. I wouldn't cover DHTML either, but for a different reason -- I like DHTML, but I don't think it's achieved enough market penetration yet to be useful. Liebowitz does the reverse. What does this prove? > He even placed Microsoft advertisements on University-funded Web pages. What kind of 'advertisements' are these? > In short, he's a Microsoft PR flack -- just as you appear to be. You have shown no evidence whatsoever that any of his statements are factually inaccurate. You have not shown any evidence whatsoever that his results were distorted in any way. DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message