From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 10 13:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E174216A41F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:23:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9146A43D62 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:22:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=l0FqvJ4S+rH/4JYzyBjFgMzsGNfF2ZOlK0axfmdQQzMRSM5q6+v6/FhQIJ01x/pB; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.149.244] (helo=kittycat) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwJSR-00079r-9l; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:22:39 -0500 Message-ID: <04d601c615e8$f33683f0$1225a8c0@kittycat> From: "jdow" To: , "Ted Mittelstaedt" , References: <20060110130432.35587.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:22:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b571120d946e384bfc0e9a4ec56f9377f22b6bfbec6f38da3dc5216350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.149.244 Cc: Subject: Re: Spamcop listed - need help to diagnose why X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:23:02 -0000 From: "Danial Thom" > --- Ted Mittelstaedt >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> > >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, jdow, since your using this >> setup, the spammer has >> >> already successfully delivered the mail to >> you. The fact that you >> >> delete the spam before reading makes no >> difference - the spammer >> >> doesen't know that and thinks they have >> successfully delivered it. >> > >> >No they have not. They've managed to get it >> onto my machine, >> >transiently. >> >It never got delivered to ME, the organic unit >> here at this email >> >address. >> >> I know that and your arguing out of your hat - >> simply pulling statements >> out of context. You know perfectly well that >> the "to you" in the >> sentence was to your machine, the paragraph >> context told you that. >> >> Unfortunately in the spam game, it only matters >> if the spammer >> thinks they didn't successfully deliver it to >> you. And that only >> happens if the machine delivering the spam gets >> an error when >> trying to deliver it, since the spammer isn't >> using legitimate >> senders addresses and cannot get feedback any >> other way. >> >> I've never been a fan of post-filters for this >> reason. For some >> kinds of filtering - like content filtering for >> example - that >> is the only way you can do it. But I think it >> the height of >> strangeness when SA checks blacklists and such >> to assign scores. >> If they really cared about spamfiltering, they >> would use the >> IP blacklists in the way they are intended - to >> block access >> completely to the spammer, not even let them >> connect to the >> server at all. The mail that SA is assigning >> scores on based on >> an IP blacklist shouldn't even be in the SA >> filter to begin with. >> >> >> Denying the spam before it's even accepted >> into the server is a >> >> much better way. Unfortunately, a content >> filter means you have to >> > >> >If you can make fetchmail do that you're >> pretty clever, kemo sabe. >> > >> >> No, but I can replace the Rube Goldberg >> fetchmail arraingement your >> using with a real mailserver that is on the >> Internet all the time >> and can make use of blacklist servers and such. >> >> And yes, I'm just as good at making >> smart-alecky comments as you >> are. Probably better at it, actually. Do you >> want to knock it >> off and go back to the technical merits >> discussion now? ;-) > > YIKES. This is what happens when you put > pimply-faced kids in charge of important things > like mail. The "carpet bomb MECCA in order to > kill a few terrorists" approach to computing. Its > frightening. Yeah, maybe he'll manage to survive long enough to acquire some wisdom such as sometimes comes with age. (And without that gained wisdom getting old must be unbearable.) {^_-}