From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 18:26:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DC9BA63 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm43-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm43-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D565D122 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:26:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1417199020; bh=FYl9g9JxqHDZaTpkIaxDdU8sMBs8QYpwguOBSj14uKs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=TsvxSgpiUhwhHwKvLEQ9n2iQhhDhKHz9oYEOOYER+4t0vH8QzWpxApqVqFEseJ4VrMIzmyk4sA6QNoD/a2bj/oxVUmkCOWYJ9vgNclQy9j++obADTIt61B7eICWSmsJ/2vpGYRb8+ucO8Gd2S2TqJf9z6DZMVA7Id/I3dLOSgFp8KBaOWyo41BrtYRSs17pH/Xo3S1VvKqKg3G6eXDtmvxWxaYkAWUDoqkH7SKd4xKpBdoBnJFaPNyuvxaA7WKt+WHUWRNYfcedPlL6kJM4G+yT27CVpAzcSjCGrZhOxgsXW4E6m12Yjac2C4sWjCzVFNv/qZORYoNOPzeTnXxQESg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=NpvNe0XiCta6jkXLWmt/W5tahh++IbSkseeBp5GzbLuAV0i7wyZmuJ9sGQvGb60R+jsK0n9UDLFlC/5E5OZFoneifOr82mMaciSIr0mPFUnjNWrR/uNvWWPcgTNfEInzvDCa7dWa77ktEJ1oiYwvJjqYDOoUiDnh9fiqcFVkwlZKac/poljPbK9ImCVTbv0tkdNgR+QkfeXH5G4bHgITA5ovaZZdjIo/6CjBeWPi3K+RDxm1nGUzV8tFP945LFfdYEOlABV0qUlQVIeeHSbCuuC/692+bNeReJefnoChF1bwWO4MDUMdLI3oEPYvLJjx+PXzoRyXnyLcW+w+nHx5Fg==; Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm43.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:23:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.193] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:23:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:23:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 273252.98041.bm@smtp202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 5PlcApIVM1no4WO7dR0gOYi.Y38.3_B7MWoYqihmiha8nrM yCxBpPjCIZa.KSr60CQDu9BIXmyIgdscy6A.PzF_gmK9D0LKMZXAq3hkNybo h3cqPs7s7AEZoAI3VOx1mq87ypuRvDzwYhwD_qd7sDNs7mmN1rQztIUnRYBg YPr0krQN37dvOQRtCY2Y7VJj6LceOEgZe.ySeEJ3JbceK_i3rRTsmk_4BWZd n5V0T51mM1l2OTAF8hoGMSBD0rV4jB5A_lO7gSWelEWM8AQ0oCG3R2YSEQin TRd9oMnVu1uZqkJoMb3LVOeK7sQxPJU2FCNn4W8SAc9Lok7G_yt6X5yl74pT i5z_LUkJ8zl_RlP.sMzZTdE9lGN4AiLGHKPoofaVG9M0cgbY7ED8FEavbAzp W2NZO1deh_vWyTYqahC3pagufTSQJExSuWVk3m0gZ9pjc2D5Kt9GHBp1Uiji HByHF.8OU_mKkuwE6Rs96bNUyZorF90A95Ku1uP0EwAlG9qukxT138Jcmo3A CjoExWrMuh1JkR60dacG9B5GeULlNoQc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <5478BDAA.5080103@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:23:38 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:26:34 -0000 Whoops.... My bad... This was in the drafts folder. Apparently, I didn't sent it to the list. P. *snip* >> I absolutely agree. I have a large line conditioner I pulled from a >> mini- >> frame that was being decommissioned and scrapped. It filters line noise, >> spikes, transients, high-freq noise, etc, and contains a constant >> voltage >> transformer that can even buck up short line voltage sags. There is >> no such >> advantage to having/using such a beast only to place a non pure-sine >> wave >> UPS between it and the computers. Defeats the purpose of having it in >> the >> first place as such units will only reintroduce all the crap the line >> conditioner cleans up. >> >> Of course, the obvious idea would be to put the UPS in front of the line >> conditioner, but that's also a no-go for various other reasons. >> >> Was just bringing this up to say: spend the extra money and get >> something >> good. My main background early in life was analog electronics and RF, >> before >> I got into computers. I've been looking around for something >> inexpensive for >> home use, but my show-stopper spec is I won't use anything that isn't >> pure >> sine wave. And that translates to $$$. Haven't found anything yet >> that is >> inexpensive and satisfies my requirements. > > A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now > and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not > too bad considering what you get. First off, again, these UPSes are not double sine wave, they are stepped. You can get one for cheap, but, again, how much value do you place on your server and the information it has? If you're looking at APC, you have to look at their 'server class' UPS. They start (I think) at 1500VA and about $850. Also, someone mentioned Eaton, I've had several. The story with each of them is bad. The electronics failed in each instance and Eaton was not helpful at all. They told me they would send a 'technician' for $175/hr to just diagnose the problem. No thanks.... As I said, the Opti-UPS I got was cheap... 2000VA 1400W and was < $1000 shipped to me.