Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:23:28 +0200 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.org> Cc: Marcin Cieslak <saper@saper.info>, Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogic.org>, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pinephone Pro Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSiimEKNgj_R2bL5Dp_TaS1DmhM=BqJ8w1prCgp=F2OY7hQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86pm87ua7x.fsf@peasant.tower.home> References: <66fee230-24eb-c7d8-fa30-4530409c0f5c@nomadlogic.org> <r8p634s5-n94r-003p-po15-r0n3233q8r25@fncre.vasb> <86ttxwvyv7.fsf@peasant.tower.home> <n55641qo-360o-o4s9-qr7p-597ns3rq5n1s@fncre.vasb> <86jzysvvuy.fsf@peasant.tower.home> <CA%2B1FSigpSnuozpC_N2k%2B50Oo2zw0_LEX0%2BcR2wWnPXe3G6D=qQ@mail.gmail.com> <86a5zovujm.fsf@peasant.tower.home> <CA%2B1FSii4qyERNAywhLjMmz%2Bfy4a8jRGy2b4SZvz2Hg6xErcn3g@mail.gmail.com> <86355fwwtv.fsf@peasant.tower.home> <CA%2B1FSigj8zzYg5kJfhTdTXbLBZHKzmZDxDFFYot%2BquX_%2B-fKzg@mail.gmail.com> <86pm87ua7x.fsf@peasant.tower.home>
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--0000000000008be82505f974d3b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. A lot of years ago I bought the tablet Samsung Google Nexus 10 P8110 that I have used only for a small amount of time. Now it is getting dust inside the drawer. I see that Linux PostMarket OS (based on the Alpine distro) works decently on this device. But I'm more interested to know if FreeBSD will also work decently on this tablet. The most important specs of it are the following ones : Chipset <https://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=3Dchipset>; Exynos 5250 Dual CPU <https://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=3Dcpu>; Dual-core 1.7 GHz Cortex-A15 GPU <https://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=3Dgpu>; Mali-T604 MP4 Could I be able to install FreeBSD on this hardware,without having a lot of experience and competence in the programming but only a low/medium experience in the system administration ? thanks. On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.org> wr= ote: > > Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> writes: > > > I know. But the pro version is too expensive for me. :( > > I tried to say that there's no hurry and you'd save money to buy the Pro > version instead ;) > > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.org>= wrote: > > > > Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I see that the Pinebook pro is very expensive for me. Can I > collaborate with you if I bought this version of the PinePhone ? > > > > > > > https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-packag= e/ > > > > PinePhone (not Pro) is built on Allwinner A64 (4xCortex A53). Compare = it > > to Rockchip RK3399S (2xA72 + 4xA53) of the Pro version. There'll be > > different device trees for those models and it's curious to me how > > different those models are in terms of devices/drivers available in > > FreeBSD. > > > > You can definitely buy it, but be prepared that we'll need to prioriti= ze > > if the actual development will be planned. Personally, I'd pay attenti= on > > to the Pro model. > > > > Regards, > > Dmitry > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:57=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.= org> > wrote: > > > > > > Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > PineTime is interesting and it is in my budget. I could buy it an= d > then try to play a little bit with it. Maybe FreeBSD can be > > installed > > > there ? > > > > or Linux ? > > > > > > PineTime is built upon nRF52832 (64 MHz Cortex-M4) which doesn't ha= ve > > > MMU. So, no FreeBSD or Linux can be used there (uCLinux is an > exception, > > > but 64 KiB of RAM isn't enough). > > > > > > Details: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=3D8112 > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dmitry > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:29=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcus= im.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Marcin Cieslak <saper@saper.info> writes: > > > > > > > > > [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]] > > > > > On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, Dmitry Salychev wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> I think you should be prepared to build your own image. > > > > >>> With FreeBSD it is not very difficult (I find it easier than > in > > > > >>> the Linux world). > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Marcin > > > > >>> > > > > >>> [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]] > > > > >> > > > > >> I'd take their device tree and try to boot GENERIC kernel for > arm64 in > > > > >> order to get an idea which drivers are missing: > > > > >> > > > > >> # dmesg | grep "no driver" | grep -v "disabled" > > > > >> > > > > >> Pete, are you going to keep your findings somewhere? I don't > have > > > > >> PinePhone Pro at the moment, but would like to follow and can > support > > > > >> with customizing your kernel. > > > > > > > > > > Now thinking about getting one, too.. Maybe wiki.freeebsd.org > could be the place > > > > > to keep notes? > > > > > > > > > > saper > > > > > > > > > > [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]] > > > > > > > > Btw, it has almost nothing to do with the FreeBSD itself, but I > recently > > > > received PineTime (both sealed one and a devkit) as a gift and > can say > > > > that it's quite good in terms of PCB/assembling quality. Their > FreeRTOS-based > > > > OS works surprisingly good as well. If the PinePhone Pro is > similar, > > > > it's worth bringing FreeBSD there. > > > > > > > > +1 for notes kept at wiki.freebsd.org > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dmitry > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > > > > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > > > > > > -- > > > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > > > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > > > > -- > > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > > > -- > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > --=20 Mario. --0000000000008be82505f974d3b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hello.<br> <br> A lot of years ago I bought the tablet Samsung Google Nexus 10 P8110=20 that I have used only for a small amount of time. Now it is getting dust in= side the drawer. I see that Linux PostMarket OS (based on the=20 Alpine distro) works decently on this device. But I'm more interested t= o know if FreeBSD will also work decently on this tablet. The most=20 important specs of it are the following ones :<br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"gmail-bbTable"> <table class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"width:100%"> <tbody><tr><td><a href=3D"https://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=3Dc= hipset" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"gmail-link gmail-link--external" rel=3D"= nofollow ugc noopener">Chipset</a></td><td>Exynos 5250 Dual</td></tr><tr><t= d><a href=3D"https://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=3Dcpu" target=3D"_= blank" class=3D"gmail-link gmail-link--external" rel=3D"nofollow ugc noopen= er">CPU</a></td><td>Dual-core 1.7 GHz Cortex-A15</td></tr><tr><td><a href= =3D"https://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=3Dgpu" target=3D"_blank" cl= ass=3D"gmail-link gmail-link--external" rel=3D"nofollow ugc noopener">GPU</= a></td><td>Mali-T604 MP4</td></tr> </tbody></table> =09 </div><br> <br> Could I be able to install FreeBSD on this hardware,without having a lot of experience and competence in the programming but only a low/medium=20 experience in the system administration ? thanks.</div><br><div class=3D"gm= ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 4:= 29=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Salychev <<a href=3D"mailto:dsl@mcusim.org">dsl@mcu= sim.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"= margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef= t:1ex"><br> Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla= nk">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br> <br> > I know. But the pro version is too expensive for me. :(<br> <br> I tried to say that there's no hurry and you'd save money to buy th= e Pro<br> version instead ;)<br> <br> ><br> > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Salychev <<a href=3D"= mailto:dsl@mcusim.org" target=3D"_blank">dsl@mcusim.org</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" tar= get=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 > Hello,<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 > I see that the Pinebook pro is very expensive for me. Can I= collaborate with you if I bought this version of the PinePhone ?<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 > <a href=3D"https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-editio= n-with-convergence-package/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://p= ine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package/</a><br> ><br> >=C2=A0 PinePhone (not Pro) is built on Allwinner A64 (4xCortex A53). Co= mpare it<br> >=C2=A0 to Rockchip RK3399S (2xA72 + 4xA53) of the Pro version. There= 9;ll be<br> >=C2=A0 different device trees for those models and it's curious to = me how<br> >=C2=A0 different those models are in terms of devices/drivers available= in<br> >=C2=A0 FreeBSD.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 You can definitely buy it, but be prepared that we'll need t= o prioritize<br> >=C2=A0 if the actual development will be planned. Personally, I'd p= ay attention<br> >=C2=A0 to the Pro model.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 Regards,<br> >=C2=A0 Dmitry<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:57=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <= ;<a href=3D"mailto:dsl@mcusim.org" target=3D"_blank">dsl@mcusim.org</a>>= wrote:<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gma= il.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > PineTime is interesting and it is in my budget. = I could buy it and then try to play a little bit with it. Maybe FreeBSD can= be<br> >=C2=A0 installed<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 there ?<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > or Linux ?<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 PineTime is built upon nRF52832 (64 MHz Cortex-M4) wh= ich doesn't have<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 MMU. So, no FreeBSD or Linux can be used there (uCLin= ux is an exception,<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 but 64 KiB of RAM isn't enough).<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Details: <a href=3D"https://forum.pine64.org/showthre= ad.php?tid=3D8112" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://forum.pine6= 4.org/showthread.php?tid=3D8112</a><br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Regards,<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Dmitry<br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:29=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry S= alychev <<a href=3D"mailto:dsl@mcusim.org" target=3D"_blank">dsl@mcusim.= org</a>> wrote:<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Marcin Cieslak <<a href=3D"mailto:saper= @saper.info" target=3D"_blank">saper@saper.info</a>> writes:<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]]<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, Dmitry Salychev w= rote:<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> I think you should be prepare= d to build your own image.<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> With FreeBSD it is not very d= ifficult (I find it easier than in<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> the Linux world).<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> Marcin<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]]= <br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> I'd take their device tree an= d try to boot GENERIC kernel for arm64 in<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> order to get an idea which driver= s are missing:<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> # dmesg | grep "no driver&qu= ot; | grep -v "disabled"<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> Pete, are you going to keep your = findings somewhere? I don't have<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> PinePhone Pro at the moment, but = would like to follow and can support<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> with customizing your kernel.<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Now thinking about getting one, too..= Maybe <a href=3D"http://wiki.freeebsd.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_b= lank">wiki.freeebsd.org</a> could be the place<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > to keep notes?<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > saper<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]]<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Btw, it has almost nothing to do with the = FreeBSD itself, but I recently<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 received PineTime (both sealed one and a d= evkit) as a gift and can say<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 that it's quite good in terms of PCB/a= ssembling quality. Their FreeRTOS-based<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 OS works surprisingly good as well. If the= PinePhone Pro is similar,<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 it's worth bringing FreeBSD there.<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 +1 for notes kept at <a href=3D"http://wik= i.freebsd.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">wiki.freebsd.org</a><br= > >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Regards,<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Dmitry<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 -- <br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Open source software/hardware enthusiast<b= r> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://hackaday.io/dsl" rel=3D"= noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">hackaday.io/dsl</a> | <a href=3D"http://githu= b.com/mcusim" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">github.com/mcusim</a> | = <a href=3D"http://patreon.com/salychev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank= ">patreon.com/salychev</a><br> >=C2=A0 ><br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 -- <br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Open source software/hardware enthusiast<br> >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://hackaday.io/dsl" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">hackaday.io/dsl</a> | <a href=3D"http://github.com/mcusi= m" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">github.com/mcusim</a> | <a href=3D"= http://patreon.com/salychev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">patreon.c= om/salychev</a><br> ><br> >=C2=A0 -- <br> >=C2=A0 Open source software/hardware enthusiast<br> >=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://hackaday.io/dsl" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"= _blank">hackaday.io/dsl</a> | <a href=3D"http://github.com/mcusim" rel=3D"n= oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">github.com/mcusim</a> | <a href=3D"http://patr= eon.com/salychev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">patreon.com/salychev= </a><br> <br> <br> -- <br> Open source software/hardware enthusiast<br> <a href=3D"http://hackaday.io/dsl" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">hac= kaday.io/dsl</a> | <a href=3D"http://github.com/mcusim" rel=3D"noreferrer" = target=3D"_blank">github.com/mcusim</a> | <a href=3D"http://patreon.com/sal= ychev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">patreon.com/salychev</a><br> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --0000000000008be82505f974d3b4--
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