From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Jan 4 22:17:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A45143BAE7 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 22:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25A3586E59 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 22:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id fXmXgcmqPnBo4fXmZgmqat; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 15:17:37 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=J8fUEzvS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3JhidrIBZZsA:10 a=VxmjJ2MpAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=dPiI7YywnjmKNVTW9dEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=bF4xC1gaFcMA:10 a=7gXAzLPJhVmCkEl4_tsf:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91B2812A7; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x04MHWlU046241; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:17:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x04MHWaE046238; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:17:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201901042217.x04MHWaE046238@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: "Poul-Henning Kamp" cc: Cy Schubert , Wojciech Puchar , Enji Cooper , Igor Mozolevsky , Hackers freeBSD Subject: Re: Strategic Thinking (was: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components) In-Reply-To: Message from "Poul-Henning Kamp" of "Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:02:47 +0000." <79361.1546639367@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 14:17:32 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJ72nLbBaqtn9mHDFSA+gTjg5hTWUoZufPZCiKP7Y3fGDQUlfaui+A5dqE3Dis4xfAjwFO6PX60RX32irTLTtXec+5VUQHRQhlF1fkzbOle/sEbBqgSt 8HZ8D549bck12bcCTGeV3XilcNqlgKTsBIqQAS0q7kSd5I2xAFmCUUdPzDDrZ0ToGLLGZO4XqbNpWttAJiPuRonaC3oXR1HMFdhCwfKkR9e/DVlKSmXhl65U /jnLGY7+Ox7jG8hl+vbMeUo1m7ErG8DgBAHz94/FaHxLyUqAutCaEEqeuBbcteLicAuaFPorU+69V7lMrk7lsQ== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 25A3586E59 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.62)[ip: (-3.58), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.47), asn: 6327(-1.98), country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[139.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:17:46 -0000 In message <79361.1546639367@critter.freebsd.dk>, "Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: > -------- > In message <201901042142.x04LgKkQ045885@slippy.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert write > s: > > >> FreeBSD should aim for that room, rather than become "Linux-sans-GPL" > > > >We should try to fit into the datacentre. > > ... and RPi's, access-points, NAS devices, routers, televisions, photocopiers > , > sewage-treatment-plant-monitoring, high-voltage-switching, > stock-trading, air-traffic-control, scientific super-computing, > antiproliferation-monitoring, laptops, desktops and ... > > I hope you get the point ? That's exactly my point. What subset of things can and should we focus on? Adding or replacing a language or languages in base should be consistent with the long-term direction of The Project. What is that? Getting back to why this sub-thread was spawned off the main thread in the first place: Is it strategic to add rust to base? (Remember when Perl was in base?) -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.