From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 19 02:39:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7384D16A474 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zionicman@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D728B43D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:39:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zionicman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i31so745735wxd for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:39:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fwjzIXGGw/XynDagvKwZ2XI/Gh0uTavOabDq38RYOq6M2sQfa13DR9jEUUgiYT/nFhfIzwifOpbRpJ5YCMe9ZObM6xuy2p3/SRdjnfy2BxLjHmwXAx9jhZyG8kdFXbZ7GVe0HqmI+Ez+ONIZcw4PhMo0/qLM9Qm0MUojOiqHhmw= Received: by 10.70.83.20 with SMTP id g20mr7700064wxb; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.111.17 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:39:57 -0400 From: "David Hoffman" To: "Ingrid Kast Fuller" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4495F9A1.8040407@gmail.com> <449608A8.3010101@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Dennis Olvany , thisdayislong , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:39:59 -0000 On 6/18/06, David Hoffman wrote: > > On 6/18/06, Dennis Olvany wrote: > > > >> ...facts are not eligible for copyright. > > > > > I'm afraid you're incorrect. The work in question is indeed > > copyrightable > > > under the Berne Convention, which many countries have ratified, > > including > > > the United States, where the content is hosted. The United States, as > > well > > > as many other countries, also have national laws which allow this work > > > to be > > > copyrighted. > > > > At best, the article may be considered a derivative work of the > > described software/hardware and therefore the intellectual property of > > the respective manufacturers. > > > > > First you say only 'literary or artistic' works, and not 'facts' (hint: > the article was more than just facts), are elligible for copyright, and now > you say that, not only are 'facts' elligible for copyright, but that they > hold such a strong copyright that works which refer to facts published > elsewhere are necessarily derivative and are not elligible for a seperate > copyright by the writer. Which is it? You can't have both. And, really, > you can't have either: there are a multitude of works that are 'derivative' > in the sense you describe, yet hold perfectly valid copyrights. Don't > believe me? Try hosting a bunch of O'Reilly books on a site hosted in a > country that respects copyright. > > Now, even if you're correct that Brett doesn't have a valid copyright > (which he does) and that unspecified entities unknown own the copyright to > the article (which they don't), we still have the same problem: FreeBSD > claiming to own something they don't, and not even attributing it to its > true authors. >