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Date:      Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:36:22 +0200 (CEST)
From:      Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
To:        Pawel Jakub Dawidek <pjd@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown <j.mckeown@ru.ac.za>
Subject:   Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)
Message-ID:  <alpine.BSF.2.00.1207071333130.77000@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
In-Reply-To: <20120707105735.GD1437@garage.freebsd.pl>
References:  <CA%2BQLa9B-Dm-=hQCrbEgyfO4sKZ5aG72_PEFF9nLhyoy4GRCGrA@mail.gmail.com> <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120706201721.GB1437@garage.freebsd.pl> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1207071123460.45763@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20120707105735.GD1437@garage.freebsd.pl>

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> starting now, we try hard to make FreeBSD easier to use, more consistent
> and friendlier in general for a long time now.
>
> In your terminology making FreeBSD easier for newcomers is "going
> down" implies that "going up" is to make it harder for newcomer.

No. It just quickly eliminate 99% of "newcomers" that would not go up 
ever anyway.

> I hate to break it to you, but you are living upside down.

As you already stated - it may be me or you - the view would be the same: 
other are upside down.

>
>> Please answer it is important for me, and many other people for a future.
>
> You should definiately pay more attention, as this is happening every day.
>
> Everyone was newcomer once. I didn't succeed on my first attempt to
> install FreeBSD, neither on the second attempt. It took me few tries to
> do it right. I knew nothing about UNIX back then.

and that's right, this is the way human learns.

This is contrary to modern linux distros that you may 
install not knowing anything, run not knowing anything and then still not 
known anything, being a newbie forever.


Anyway thank you for an answer - i now have definite knowledge what will 
FreeBSD future look like because this is what i wanted.





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