From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 10:42:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839B31065672 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C137C8FC20 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl37-141.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.164.141]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mB4AffAJ000426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:41:46 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB4AffeW002083; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:41:41 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mB4Afd1e002082; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:41:39 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Robert Atkinson" In-Reply-To: <6fb2b4650812031953y14ddfeb4ycb4f5ae2bddffd49@mail.gmail.com> (Robert Atkinson's message of "Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:53:10 -0500") Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:18:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87k5agbgzl.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <4930D7CE.4080909@psg.com> <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> <20081203151537.GA1045@phenom.cordula.ws> <6fb2b4650812031953y14ddfeb4ycb4f5ae2bddffd49@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mB4AffAJ000426 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.284, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.04) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, cpghost Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:42:20 -0000 On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:53:10 -0500, "Robert Atkinson" wrote: > I have however, had many users who I show Linux give up because > everything they own in the house is not supported. They always say > "isn't linux supposed to be great?" and I can only say that they > should learn to write device drivers and only buy hardware that has > well known support. Isn't this the case with *any* operating system? The main reason that companies like Sun publish extensive hardware compatibility lists is to avoid getting thousands of support calls that say ``I bought this random modem from a retail store for USD $2, and it attaches as a generic USB device on Solaris. How do I make it work? WTF, why is Solaris so hopelessly broken?'' Most of the time buying hardware that is known to be supported pays back in avoiding lost time, frustration and many hours of troubleshooting driver issues. I'm sure Conrad already knows that buying hardware that is known to be supported is worth the trouble of looking for it. That's why I was a bit baffled by the drama-like tone of the thread. All I can say at this point to Conrad is ``Good luck with your future endeavors in the Linux land! I'll be glad to see you continue to appear on the lists, and use FreeBSD in those machines of yours that support it, and if you manage to fix the one that triggered this, we are always here :-)''.