From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 26 16:20:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CEE37B400 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g1R0KdD38700; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:20:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:20:39 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Kevin Way Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NetBSD-style rc.d Project In-Reply-To: <20020226100052.A31804@ns1.ecoutez.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Kevin Way wrote: > As one of the many people who've done some initial work on the port, I > can tell you that it seems to me that there's not a lot of interest in > this project, beyond criticizing the work of those who've made attempts > to do any work, or attempting to expand the scope of the project > requirements beyond what's appropriate (IMHO) for an initial port. > > I, for one, lost interest in doing the work when I realized I was > receiving, quite literally, 5 times more complaints than combined > patches, constructive criticism or positive feedback. > > At this point, I'm very willing to help anybody who is doing the main > development, with either coding or testing, but I have no interest being > a lead developer on the project. > > I don't know if we'll have switched to this by 5.0-RELEASE, but I > definitely see some very real value in having the system in there, even > if RC_NEW is set to NO by default. I'm very interested in seeing this happen: the failings of our rc system in terms of extensibility and flexibility s something I hear a moderate amount about when looking for comments from some of the larger scale adopters I chat with. They aren't interested in rolling their own, and see our current mechanism as one of the few disadvantages that FreeBSD has when compared with other systems. I don't have time to volunteer, but I can certainly provide advice relating to the security of the system (note that because rc scripts are written using shell scripting, and like to do things like dig around in utrusted trees, etc, this is a real concern). It seems like a good first-step in jump-starting the project would be to identify any changes since the initial import... Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message