From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 17:38:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14AC16A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:38:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8DF43D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:38:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188BE930D5E; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:38:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14523-08; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <434D4A2F.9050409@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:38:55 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <6F2F8FD3FBCF7A489CB18912A4807EBA015190FD@mvwcim1a.acuson.com> In-Reply-To: <6F2F8FD3FBCF7A489CB18912A4807EBA015190FD@mvwcim1a.acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bind within src-contrib X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:38:40 -0000 Johnson David wrote: > From: Frank Laszlo [mailto:laszlof@tvog.net] > > >>How would you like a system with no host(1), dig(1), or nslookup(1)? I >>personally consider these tools essential for a freebsd system. > > > Are these utilities used anywhere else in FreeBSD, such as the startup > scripts? Are they something required by the vast majority of users? If not, > I wouldn't consider them "essential". That doesn't mean I would move them to > ports, as there's a lot of other non-essential software in the base system > (biff, indent, etc.). > > David Imo this discussion does not belong here but on hackers@ so i changed the CC line for that. I will only reply on the part: "not having host, dig and nslookup available", since there might be other tools that can do the resolving part as well which i do not currently know. A system without resolver libraries and applications simply is not maintainable by default. If you have no resolving applications in your base system you will not be able to install a port or anything at all that requires remote access. Why? because your machine cannot map the www.freebsd.org host (example) to an ip address. Without being able to do so, it simply cannot find the ip address of the host where the files might live resulting in a failre to obtain the files. And well without files it will be difficult to install something... I hope this helps a bit in why resolving capabilities are needed in the base system. -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org