From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 20:53:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA46816A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:53:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from miramanee.icarz.com (miramanee.icarz.com [207.99.22.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3E043D1F for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:53:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kenfreebsd@icarz.com) Received: from deanna.icarz.com (deanna.icarz.com [207.99.22.19]) by miramanee.icarz.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2SKqxIH022435; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:52:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenfreebsd@icarz.com) Received: from kenxp (netb-138.icarz.com [209.123.219.138]) by deanna.icarz.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j2SKqpag029827; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:52:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenfreebsd@icarz.com) Message-ID: <091a01c533d8$1f8eec60$8adb7bd1@icarz.com> From: "Ken Menzel" To: "Vince" , "'Suporte Matik'" , References: <200503272143.j2RLhXXj072890@unsane.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:52:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: -100 () USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: Network oriented services with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ken Menzel List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:53:04 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince" To: "'Suporte Matik'" ; Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: RE: Network oriented services with FreeBSD > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Suporte Matik >> Sent: 26 March 2005 17:29 >> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Network oriented services with FreeBSD >> >> On Saturday 26 March 2005 11:53, Bob Martin wrote: >> > We do all of our routing and firewalls with FreeBSD, instead of >> > dedicated equipment like Cisco. In short, a Xeon based PC >> (we're using >> > mostly ~2ghz, single processor boxen) that can be bought >> for less than >> > a $1000 will do almost anything a $15,000 dollar name brand >> > router >> > will do. And it will do a few things the named brand units >> wont, like >> > traffic analysis. Instead of having the dedicated equipment and a >> > server, we just have a server. >> > >> >> Hi >> probably not a fair comparism since your $15K router will >> have some pretty clever interfaces which you possible do not >> get or at least have to buy to put them into your PC and >> configure them if you can. >> Lots of things IOS can do FreeBSd can still not, as CEF, >> class maps, loadbalance, backuproute, VoIP to call only some >> IMO BGP with Zebra on FBSD also is not close and reliable >> enough to CISCO BGP . >> So what you say may be ok for a simple router with some >> functions but a cisco 2xxx does not cost 15k but all depends >> on size of the network. May be an ISP with a small link does >> it well without dedicated router but if you talk about >> network services I don't know ... >> And don't forget the disks, I will not even think about if a >> HD crashes on a network router. I have some Ciscos running a >> couple of years now without touching them. >> Hans > > > Disks are not too much of an issue as with some tweaking you can > either > A) nfs boot your freebsd router from redundant sources > B) use pcmcia or similar solid state filesystem > C) use software/hardware mirroring. > And the one time a freebsd box I had had a hard disk failure it > stayed up > Untill I replaced it anyway as it had minimal disk usage. > > Also with most of the hardware routers its not the hardware that > costs > Its support and upgrades. I've had freebsd Firewalls run for at > least > 3 years with no reboot so uptime is hardly an issue. I havent ever > had > to have a router run that long As I'm quite new to the ISP rather > than > end user side of things. > > > Vince > http://www.freesbie.org/ Even better than mirroring get rid of the hard drive completely with a bootable CD-image currently based on FreeBSD 5.3. FreeSBIE is a LiveCD based on the FreeBSD Operating system, or even easier, a FreeBSD-based operating system that works directly from a CD, without touching your hard drive. Ken