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Date:      Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:30:35 +0100
From:      Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely7.cicely.de>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely7.cicely.de>, ticso@cicely.de, "freebsd-mips@freebsd.org" <freebsd-mips@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: USB stability problem on AR9331 with stable/10
Message-ID:  <20150104103035.GK3265@cicely7.cicely.de>
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Vmo=NHV-smV-iTKJTRKL%2BcN7mT_qbfUCmDJq8h6_aXDJ9OA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 10:39:49PM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On 3 January 2015 at 13:48, Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely7.cicely.de> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 03:09:18PM +0100, Bernd Walter wrote:
> >>
> >> I will swap for another board now.
> >> Reason is that I have one board running on a OS version, which is about
> >> 1.5 years old and it shows this problem only from time to time.
> >> I even use it to copy the rootfs from nfs to the stick because of the
> >> endian issue with mips.
> >> It is very hard to say when this happens, because copying usually works,
> >> but once you put some additional load, like compiling, or in this case
> >> creating host keys.
> >> Now this board with recent stable/current shows this problem extremly
> >> often.
> >> I want to rule out that I put a broken board into my test mix, because
> >> it was a new one.
> >
> > Ok, I can't tell for sure if there is some hardware related influence,
> > but I'd tested 3 Dragino MS14-P (likely same batch) and retested with one
> > Carambola 2, which all showed the problem sooner or later.
> 
> Hm, I wonder which particular AR933x revision they're using.

The one on all the Dragino is marked:
AR9331-AL3A
PPW718,006C
1324
KOREA

The Carambola is shielded and soldered shut.
With the modules I can remove the cap since it is designed to be
removeable, but this is the devboard and they added some solder at
some points.
I can unsolder it if required.
A single module, which I'd bought at the same time, has the
following:
AR9331-AL3A
PPU680,001C
1316
KOREA
No sure if it has exactly the same chip on the devboard.


The Carambola however seems to be running more stable.
I've managed to build pkg 2 times of 3 tries, while the Dragino was
never able to complete the build in countless tries.

> Are you providing them enough power?

It is very different in both cases.

The Carambola devboard has a single micro-USB running both power and
USB-console-UART, so I power it using a self powered hub, which has
a switching mode 3.5A rates supply.
The devboard has a 5 to 3.3V switching regulator running the module
and it passes the 5V to the USB port.
The 1.2V is somehow generated on the module.

The Dragino has a wide range 9-15V input with 3 regulators.
An RT8250 for 5V and 3.3V each - the 5V is used for the USB, the 3.3
for the rest.
Don't know how the 1.2V is generated, since all I can find is a
coil.
Then there is a 1117 5V, which I can only guess that it is used for the
moduleslot, which is intended to fit some arduino IO module.
I run the board using 12V from a decent lab type bench supply with
current limit at 0.5A, which is rated current and well below what it
really used.
But to be honest - I've already wondered about the power myself, since
the only electrolytic cap is for the 1117, while the RT8052 use
ceramic only and high rated ceramic have a high DC bias loss plus
the RT8052 is not a very high frequency chip.
So I just checked and the power rails look fine under a scope.

-- 
B.Walter <bernd@bwct.de> http://www.bwct.de
Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.



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