From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 20 16:56:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01835 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01616 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:55:38 GMT (envelope-from atf3r@cs.virginia.edu) Received: from ares.cs.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa10259; 20 Apr 98 19:55 EDT Received: from mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.67.12]) by ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12706; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (atf3r@localhost) by mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21613; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU: atf3r owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Irving Popovetsky cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Screen Shot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Irving Popovetsky wrote: > Some of the most impressive screenshots that I have personally seen have > been on the webpages of various Window Managers: > > www.enlightenment.org (enlightenment wm) > www.afterstep.org (afterstep) > www.kde.org (the K Desktop environment) > > in their screenshots gallieries. While most of these screenshots were > taken on Linux boxen, its still just XFree86 that they are running, and I > have been able to achieve similar on my FreeBSD box. > > But some of those look real pretty, and make just as great of an argument > for us as they do for the linux people, maybe even a better one :) Yep, they look great. I just about wet my pants when I installed enlightenment for the first time. The problem as I see it is that screen shos still do not show of what makes FreeBSD a superior alternative in many cases. As you mentioned, most of the window manager screen shots were taken under linux. Would they look different on a FreeBSD box. I would hope not! So what can we show _in addition to_ the above? I don't know how to pictorally represent a Linux or NT box gobbling up ever CPU cycle in sight while a FreeBSD box calmly services its clients. I guess I wih we had some "reputable" benchmarks on various measures of system throughput. i.e. compelling graphs. Anyone read the papers from Usenix two years ago in which FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris were compared. I thought it was a decent start. There were deinite flaws in the testing methodology, e.g. the NFS server was always a linux box, but that could have been remedied by providing the bench markers with enough hardware to do the tests properly. I think they were doing a best effort, if not a perfect one. Are there any people interested in publishing refereed benchmark papers? I find most people are compelled to look closer when you show a graph where the competetors have context switch time grow exponentially as a function of number of processes and FreeBSD has one that grows nearly linearly. This is a valuable difference worth paying money for on a busy system. Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message