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Date:      Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:00:57 +0100
From:      Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net>
To:        Brooks Davis <brooks@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        doc-committers@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: www/en/projects/ideas ideas.xml
Message-ID:  <20090312160057.98143f198ly52560@webmail.leidinger.net>
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Quoting Brooks Davis <brooks@FreeBSD.org> (from Thu, 12 Mar 2009 =20
09:17:41 -0500):

> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:23:59PM +0000, Robert Watson wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
>>
>>>> I think there could be a useful project to be done on fleshing out kern=
el
>>>> SDT providers, but that we need to come up with a more specific
>>>> description if we want it to be useful for GSoC.  We also need to
>>>> identify a potential mentor for the project who can field questions
>>>> during the proposal process, potentially mentor the project, and so on.
>>>
>>> To have it on the ideas list we don't need a GSoC mentor... basically I
>>> say that I think that the DTraceToolkit stuff should stay on the ideas
>>> list in some form (doesn't matter to me if it is marked up fro the GSoC =
or
>>> not).
>>
>> On the ideas list, perhaps, but I feel increasingly strongly that no idea
>> without a technical contact should be tagged as GSoC-appropriate, and tha=
t
>> we should also have mentors in mind for every project there.
>> Pre-submission interaction improves not just the quality of the proposal,
>> but also gives us an early sense as to whether they have the right skills
>> so that they can tune the proposal to what it turns out the students are
>> able to do. I also feel we shouldn't invite people to submit proposals on
>> an idea if we don't have someone willing to mentor them, because we've ha=
d
>> that happen and it's unproductive :-).
>
> I agree.  To be blunt and specific, I plan to remove all class=3D"soc"
> specifications on projects that don't have a contact listed before our
> project profile is posted.  That doesn't mean we won't accept gsoc
> proposals on untagged projects or that we can't list them, but the bar
> will be higher.  I'm also not entirely convinced we should list ideas

I see the point for the soc...

> without technical contacts, but that's a separate discussion.

... but I don't see it for the main ideas list. It's not a "I'm =20
willing to mentor this project"-list. The purpose is to give ideas. If =20
there's no technical contact, it means the person which wants to =20
approach the idea has to have "enough" (whatever this means) technical =20
expertise or at least needs to be willing to get it. If we would only =20
allow stuff with technical contacts, we wouldn't ever get something =20
done like the new USB code. Nobody was willing to be a technical =20
contact for this for a long time, and then someone stepped forward =20
after there was something to work with. Some people may think the USB =20
stuff is not a good example, but fact is we have it in the tree now =20
and it is better than what we had before. And nobody was doing some =20
handholding until it was at a stage where a lot of people where =20
patching it into FreeBSD themself.

Bye,
Alexander.

--=20
Allen's Axiom:
=09When all else fails, read the instructions.

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