From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 23:01:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC481065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B3B8FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9RN0PE6092697; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:00:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9RN0PMs092696; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:00:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:00:25 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Gonzalo Nemmi Message-ID: <20091027230025.GA92658@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:01:51 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:59PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 05:03:12PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: > > > > Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > > > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out > > > > > of the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it > > > > > with? Or are you suggesting the system ship with no way to > > > > > handle mail? > > > > > > > > This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to > > > > debate what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a > > > > requirement or a remnant from history? > > > > > > Dear Erik: > > > > > > Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, > > > it's just taking the same default route it has been taking for > > > ages: 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA > > > 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA > > > 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base > > > 4) telling the OP about "historical reason" > > > 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical > > > reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the > > > default MTA "for historical reasons". > > > > > > Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the > > > same question. > > > > I will add one more that covers it best. > > Sendmail works just fine and there is no ACTUAL CURRENT reason to > > get rid of it. Years ago it had some weaknesses which have been > > fixed. > > I wonder what would have happened if Sir Isaac Newton followed the same > line of though ... > > Or maybe there was an ACTUAL CURRENT reason to develop infinitesimal > calculus ... which .. of course, by that time, nobody knew it even > existed. > > Or maybe there was an ACTUAL CURRENT reason to discover the law of > universal gravitation ... Weird. Try cutting down on caffeine. > > Or maybe .. not ... > > > So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason > > for wanting to replace it. > > Let me get this straight .. that means that every Linux distro, NetBSD, > OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of personal > preference? Yup. > > > In that case, if your personal preference is to replace it, go ahead. > > There are several candidates and an earlier post described well how > > to do it. > > Yes, that has already been pointed out quite a few times. > > > As for putting it in ports and taking it out of base, well, some > > message system is often needed before ports are installed. Sendmail > > fills the bill. Some other could also, but since Sendmail works > > just fine and is already there, then it is. > > Fit the bill ... well.. so did the Geocentric model .. and it actually > did work just as fine .. and even better yet since it also mantained > the "status quo" ! ... but then Galileo came and you know the rest of > the story ... Actually it didn't. It didn't describe observable conditions and events. ////jerry > > > ////jerry > > Best Regards > Gonzalo Nemmi > > > > > And if an MTA is a requirement then asking which one is the best > > > > choice is also a fair question. An equally fair answer could be > > > > whichever change requires the least work. > > > > > > Indeed > > > > > > > No different than asking, why is NIS still in the base? Why no > > > > ldap? why BIND, but no http? Why NFS? etc... > > > > > > Let me save you the trouble; the answer to mot of that questions > > > will be: historical reasons and that other solutions can "can only > > > dream of enjoying a fraction of the respect that BIND and Sendmail > > > command in the industry" > > > > > > Believe it or not ... > > > > > > > I think the only void answer is because of tradition, that just > > > > seems to show that noone really remembers why some choice was > > > > made. > > > > > > > > BR, Erik > > > > alo Nemmi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"