Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:10:17 -0500 From: Chris <racerx@makeworld.com> To: Gary Kline <kline@tao.thought.org> Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>, Claude Menski <claude.menski@gmail.com>, doug@fledge.watson.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu Message-ID: <4621A5A9.4050403@makeworld.com> In-Reply-To: <20070415040432.GA75277@thought.org> References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <86mz1ckqlc.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070413183656.E73976@fledge.watson.org> <86tzvjz2dr.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070414125712.L73976@fledge.watson.org> <46212CC5.9050408@makeworld.com> <20070415040432.GA75277@thought.org>
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Gary Kline wrote: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote: >> doug@safeport.com wrote: >>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: >>> >=20 > [[ ... ]] >=20 >>> In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an >>> understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk= =2E >>> >>> My workstation/laptop hardware does not really allow the option of >>> building things like KDE and OpenOffice, so I upgrade basically by >>> starting over with packages. I usually can do this in an hour or so. >>> When I first started, I found the differences between BSDI, FreeBSD, = and >>> Linux confusing. Now mostly its more of an irritant than having to us= e >>> my son's mac to watch ESPN videos. >=20 >=20 > I've been experimenting with system tuning to get my slower=20 > (400MHz) laptop and tower cases to run lots ffaster with X ... > and, obv'ly, lots slower for less important processes. As a=20 > hard-core CLI type, I'd like to see lightweight apps like links > tied to a GUI version of mutt. Or something similarly > lightweight where you can click on a URL and have it instantiate=20 > links. If you must-hae 3D, then Xaw-3D will do the magic. =20 > .... >=20 >> To me, this is where Ubuntu (I can't speak for other Linux distros) is= >> the clear winner over FreeBSD on the desktop. Ubuntu is near >> out-of-the-box when it comes to media (audio/video/etc) of any sort. >> >> Sure, there are a few steps to get it all to gel - but once you enter= a >> few lines (or if you prefer point-n-click) - you never have to worry >> about media working again (trust me, I used to keep a Windows box just= >> to do the things I mentioned). >> >> Again - I'm talking about a desktop use. I have used Ubuntu server (bo= th >> i386 and sparc) and FreeBSD is still my fav. however, Ubuntu (for >> installing LAMP) is nearly even w/FreeBSD. >> >> To me, apt-get is certainly cleaner and superior to >> portupgrade/portmanager. Perhaps someday either or will be as reliable= >> as apt-get. >> >> Just my opinions of course. >=20 >=20 > Mine too, as far as ease-of-use goes. Ubuntu is a different kind > of Linux where they say up front that Linux is only a kernel; > that the rest is up to the real hackers, the app folks. My only > concern with Ubuntu is upgrading from my current 6.06 to 7.XX. > I can upgrade FBSD with one finger. Upgrading Ubuntu isn't > quite push-button. Not yet anyway. >=20 > The last thing: I'll never trust my DNS server to anything > except the Berkeley distributions. >=20 > and that's my dime's worth! >=20 > gary Gary - Not so - upgrading Ubuntu is pretty much a click. Have a look at this URL and you'll see 2 ways to upgrade http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/upgrade-ubuntu-610-edgy-eft-to-ubu= ntu.html But in a nutshell - Ubuntu (Debian) is nothing more then editing a source file and 2 commands. apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade As to the comment about DNS - I agree 100% --=20 Best regards, Chris BOFH excuse #84: Someone is standing on the ethernet cable, causing a kink in the cable
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