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Date:      Sun, 29 Jul 2001 03:11:20 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        unknown source <callihn@hotmail.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Would it be so hard?
Message-ID:  <20010729031120.C85101@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <F231luLCTaogxLDp7mv00007431@hotmail.com>; from callihn@hotmail.com on Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 08:08:55AM %2B0000
References:  <F231luLCTaogxLDp7mv00007431@hotmail.com>

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On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 08:08:55AM +0000, unknown source wrote:
> Would it be so hard to have patched iso images of freebsd kinda like a mi=
ni=20
> release I guess.

Someone has to do the work..it's not hard.  Complaining about it won't
help, though..you can't force people to do something they're not paid
or required to do.  Another possibility is that you could pay someone
a support contract and they can make you an ISO each time we release
an advisory.

> Im sure you want support? Well I have tried that I=20
> purchased the 4.2 powerpack and then purchased 4.3 for what? By the time =
I=20
> got them I has to patch the kernel now that reminds me of M$ you buy and =
buy=20
> and buy but you never have the latest and its never secure.

Welcome to running a computer..security vulnerabilities are just
something you have to live with.  We do our best to make it easy to
handle within the resources and framework available (that doesn't
extend to generating an entire new ISO at this time, it's already
enough work putting out the advisories and making the upgrade
packages)

> to do a fresh install from a bootable CD that is stable and secure? in th=
e=20
> last few months I feal I have wasted $150 and alot more in time with free=
bsd=20
> is this how your suppose to feel?

Consider the possibility that you've had unrealistic expectations from
the products/services you've paid $150 for.  For one thing, you're not
complaining to the people who you paid the $150 to (the members of
this list owe you nothing and are donating their support time for
free), and what you are asking for is fundamentally impossible anyway.
All code has bugs, including security bugs.

> reaming? When should I try again 4.4,5.0? All I want is to be able to=20
> install freebsd from a cd-rom that is not already exploitible. Please tel=
l=20
> me why that is to much to ask for without OpenBSD 2.9 "which is considera=
bly=20
> harder to install but I did find an iso"

OpenBSD 2.9 has security problems of its own..

Kris

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