From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 17 1:46:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77F237B4CF for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA33390; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:20:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:20:41 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Cribbins, Jason" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] Message-ID: <20001017062038.K2537@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: "Cribbins, Jason" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <9D35FA2F8EFCD111BA5A00805FA75E87084645FF@fdntx001> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <9D35FA2F8EFCD111BA5A00805FA75E87084645FF@fdntx001>; from Cribbins, Jason on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:45:28AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:45:28AM -0400, Cribbins, Jason wrote: > I may be mistaken but I believe about 2 years ago you were the one who > replied to a question I posted to -questions and told me that my question > was of a beginner question which should be posted to -newbies. You stated > -questions was for experienced users with very technical questions (not > exact quote...was long time ago but that's what I took from the message). I think everyone here would vouch for the fact that I have never, and would never have encouraged beginner questions in freebsd-newbies :-) There must be some misunderstanding, or maybe there was a misguided person trying to "help" you at the time. I suspect some people confuse it with linux-newbies, which when I saw it was a lively place for linux newbies to misinform each other with impunity. Our mailing lists are quite different, and the free support offered (in freebsd-questions) is more centralised and reliable, something we are very proud of and try to maintain. People make mistakes, newbies make lots of them. Here, that's OK. We have seen incidents of a non-newbie considering himself above the newbies list charter and trying to encourage others to ignore it. That was quickly stopped, because wilfully disobeying list charters can cause people to be banned from lists, if it is serious enough to warrant it. > What exactly is the purpose of -newbies then. Is it different then it was > back when I started out? or is it the same and I was > misdirected/misunderstood the list usage. It has always been a place for non-technical newbie chatter for which there is no other FreeBSD list where it would be tolerated, and to learn things like: - Don't post to a FreeBSD mailing list until you've read its charter - All support questions/answers can, and should, go to freebsd-questions - As a newbie your first stop should be http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html If you subscribe to freebsd-newbies, you'll be informed of the basics automatically when your subscription is processed, and then you'll get the full information delivered right to your desk every Saturday! People who simply neglected to read the weekly FAK would be unlikely to read things like man pages or the handbook either, maybe not even any replies they got from freebsd-questions. It is often remarked that their problems are of a kind that could not be addressed within the FreeBSD community... but I am willing to help anyone who finds visual impairment a barrier to accessing technical support on our lists or web site. In your case, Jason, somehow you became misled and that is unfortunate. I hope you feel more comfortable now that it has been clarified. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message