From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 21 09:57:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A1716A4CE for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:57:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26AE43D49 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:57:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j2L9v3b25962; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:57:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , "Tomas Quintero" Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:56:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050321002338.GD7685@mail1.vantronix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal cc: misc@openbsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Theo de Raadt Subject: RE: Adaptec X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:57:10 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > hi tomas, > > > of course, my driver does not support all the proprietary and bleeding > edge features, like the binary-blob does, but everything for basic > operation is mostly done. it's the choice of the freebsd _users_ if > they want to lose their freedom to get some "features" (and pleased > manufacturers) or if they want to have free software with all of it's > benefits. > One of these days atheros will decide it's time to obsolete all those devices out there so as to attempt to get people to buy new ones. When that happens, the binary-blob won't work anymore. When that happens your driver will be the only option. > > so it's absolutely correct from theo to cc the freebsd-questions@ > mailing list because it's a _main_question_! we care about freebsd, > netbsd and even linux because this behaviour hurts the entire open > source community. more and more manufacturers are having success with > getting their binary-blobs into "free" operating systems. what next? > Such a scenario is simply not viable over the long term. The manufacturer always has to pay to write new blobs for new OS versions. Once the manufacturer decides to stop spending money writing new blobs, a decision that is inevitable, the blobs won't work any longer and the blob will go away. Ted