From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 28 12:30:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29569 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:30:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29524; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (narn-1-96.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.134.96]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.0) id OAA13680; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:30:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA00174; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:30:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980628193031.ZM171@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:30:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" "Re: Does it's true?" (Jun 28, 10:32am) References: <199806281732.KAA15832@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , fpawlak@execpc.com (Frank Pawlak) Subject: Re: Does it's true? Cc: drifter@stratos.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Jun 28, 10:32am, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > Subject: Re: Does it's true? > Frank Pawlak wrote: > > It is interesting that you did an in-depth analysis of my analogy. I was > > taking neither of the positions arrived at in your deduction. The is no > > question about the issue of personification of guns in the US. The citizens > > have been armed to the teeth since the Revolutionary War. Gun possession is > > covered by the Constitution. So far all well and good. > > based upon reading madison, jefferson and other FF's (founding > fathers), the second amendment to the constitution was enacted > in order to guarantee the citizentry's ability to oppose > a tyrannical government, and thereby prevent that government > from forming. > > ownership of small arms is insufficient for the task. > if one embraces the purpose of the second amendment, rather > then just the language, we must allow the citizentry to own > heavy weapons. no one that i know of advocates this. > > what would it have availed the chinese students to have > small arms in tianamen (sp) square. it would not have > forestalled action by the gov't. > > the narrow reading of the second amendment leaves us with > the high death rate by shooting that we have in the US > without the means to effectively oppose the govt. > the worst of both. ugh. > jmb >-- End of excerpt from Jonathan M. Bresler An example of excellent clear thinking, with the emotions under full control. Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message