From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 17 05:21:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA00383 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA00371 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:21:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id HLBQEFSJ; Mon, 17 Aug 98 12:21:09 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980817141851.00a51710@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:18:51 +0200 To: Brett Glass From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: 64-bit time_t Cc: mike@smith.net.au, jamie@itribe.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199808171200.GAA21209@lariat.lariat.org> References: <199808141756.LAA24900@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Nope, we're talking about safety measures in the language and compiler. Of >which we are consumers, unless we choose to reinvent both (which generally >is not the project at hand). Regardless of the claimed secureness of a language, the designer/programmer of a product should always take it upon himself to add an extra layer of it by making sure his code doesn't have any potential flaws. I agree with what was said earlier, taking a compiler on trust is a bad move. Of course, you should get a car with an airbag, but that's no excuse to drive too fast. Besides which, the lack of such measures in C / C++ empowers the programmer to a great extent. Heuristics have not yet progressed far enough to second- guess a programmer as well as he himself can; when such is the case, we'll all be outdated. (with the exception of heuristics programmers, of course.) --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message