From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 20 14:24:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BB969A6; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shepard.synsport.net (mail.synsport.com [208.69.230.148]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E338418B0; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (ip70-178-7-237.ks.ks.cox.net [70.178.7.237]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shepard.synsport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F658435A3; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:24:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <52B4531C.2000809@marino.st> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:24:28 +0100 From: John Marino User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: koobs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing References: <201312201132.rBKBWEQT089240@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <52B44361.500@FreeBSD.org> <52B44926.6000005@marino.st> <52B44FA1.6050001@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <52B44FA1.6050001@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mexas@bris.ac.uk, code@apotheon.net, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Kubilay Kocak X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: marino@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:24:43 -0000 On 12/20/2013 15:09, Kubilay Kocak wrote: > I appreciate the distinction, and I agree with your premises. Setting a > high standard is not in question. Thanks. > If your aim however, is to change or influence others, and you'll grant > that not everyone can know all there is to know about the values and > behaviours we espouse in advance, then a reply guiding (read: leading) > those individuals in the right direction would likely prove more > effective than what was perhaps just a symptom of frustration. At the beginning of the thread, I used the gcc developer list as an actual example. If anyone posst an inappropriate topic to the list, it may get answered, but it will always get a "this is not appropriate for this list, please don't do it again, use the XXXX list for this next time." I can imagine it's a slight put-off for brand new users but it is effective. People make a mistake once, and after that they do the right thing. Since they are publicly corrected, you can imagine they educate dozens of people *before* they can make the same mistake. So I'm talking about policing the list consistently. > If you don't feel up to taking on that role, then maybe unsubscribing is > the way to go, though I hope its not as you have a lot of value to add. I had to try, but I suspected this thread would go the way of NetBSD (Much discussion, zero net effect) and so far it has. I expect this topic to die down soon and I'll unsubscribe around new years eve, since two weeks seems to be the ports grace period. :) John