From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Tue Mar 10 16:50:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A222A26A039; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48cLgK5yC2z410Z; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id Bi5BjuEpMRnrKBi5DjpvRp; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 10:50:19 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=L7FjvNb8 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10 a=iKhvJSA4AAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=_IT53soDOL1HBEsq6UcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-DkilYVVYq0A:10 a=odh9cflL3HIXMm4fY7Wr:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy8 [10.2.2.6]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1DA9970; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 02AGnvgm052006; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 02AGnvtD052003; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <202003101649.02AGnvtD052003@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: rgrimes@freebsd.org cc: Cy Schubert , Ed Maste , src-committers , svn-src-all , svn-src-head Subject: Re: svn commit: r358821 - in head: . contrib/amd libexec/rc/rc.d release tools/build/mk tools/build/options usr.sbin usr.sbin/amd usr.sbin/newsyslog/newsyslog.conf.d In-reply-to: <202003101608.02AG8DEk065806@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <202003101608.02AG8DEk065806@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Comments: In-reply-to "Rodney W. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:49:57 -0700 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfO0wBQImjv5RWHc+IUh6XJzbk6hc1fcHig7W6enxgr2gM2ecoCNcnvK4cJO4TwqWroVMro2dSuvdRKsDK1+c3kAtORiARz+ZQl+FJpfjkHiCu3SC9oRU xTSM0hZ66UkxU9q3B3HG5EfGTKo9JXVxSi5sQDS9ARecq2BxISPXLOPLmdYdFZQxttYKtya9E9eId1o7rb1lvdC13W32HQKIbzCCMIFILOZRyUh18iv+yu5F 6DRYwhobQrpr1TKGKJyvNtpvnsh7ZjAJZOl+VhM8EzmIjBvWGtdDuL2uuN591IUpNNYmUBRqmsp+IMuuFK1qRQ== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48cLgK5yC2z410Z X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com has no SPF policy when checking 64.59.136.139) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.39)[ip: (-6.11), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-3.24), asn: 6327(-2.53), country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[139.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:50:23 -0000 In message <202003101608.02AG8DEk065806@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W. Grimes" writes: > > In message <202003101541.02AFfpiY065653@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W. > > Grimes" > > writes: > > > > On March 10, 2020 6:42:30 AM PDT, Ed Maste wrote: > > > > >> Sorry for being snippy. It's a bad day here, client-wise, and it's > > > > >spilling > > > > >> over here. > > > > > > > > > >No apology necessary, I'm sorry I didn't coordinate more closely with > > > > >you on the actual svn commit. I had this change in my WIP tree since > > > > >November and just got back to it. Given the elapsed time since we last > > > > >discussed it I ought to have sent a reminder/refreshed the discussion. > > > > > > > > I think a FreeBSD version bump might still be needed. Though ports or o > ther > > > software might simply check for the existence of /usr/sbin/amd instead. > > > > > > > > I should put a deprecation flag into the port though I haven't thought > abou > > > t the expiry date yet. Probably at 12 EOL. > > > > > > Since 13 is not going to include amd that would be ending both the base a > nd p > > > ort version at the same time, perhaps keep the port to 13.0 EOL to give a > sli > > > ght window when someone upgrades to 13 and finds out amd is gone they can > go > > > to the port for a quick but short lived fixed. > > > > > > Perhaps big giant warnings all over the port too that it is about to EOL? > > > > Does adding DEPRECATED= without EXPIRATION_DATE= and a comment to add > > EXPIRATION_DATE for 13 EOL date sound ok? > > Sounds ok, but I was thinking 13.0 EOL, vs 13 EOL, unless you want > to support it for 5 more years?? Or even 13.1 EOL if it is desirable > to give them just a wee bit more time. Gotcha. 13.0 is better. > > > DEPRECATED prints warnings. > Ok > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.or > g -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.