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To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
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Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/mkdir mkdir.1 mkdir.c 
In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:12:12 PDT."
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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:16:09 -0700
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
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> Just as soon as Michael Hoek responds to just ONE of the emails
> I might consider letting it die.  But has anyone noticed he seems
> to be silient on this list.  Is he reading his commit mail?  Would
> he care to answer my very direct and simply 3 original questions?
> 
> I've given him 48 hours since my comment, I now see 2 other folks
> also objecting to mkdir -v (It just took time for them to catch
> up, many don't read email over the weekend).  I have sighted it does
> not make us compatible with fileutils 4.0, which was one claim by
> someone else.
> 
> The commit to rm broke the build of -current for 24 hours :-(
> 
> I have no problem with the -v to cp, good technical arguments where
> made for it, _and_ it makes us compatible to fileutils 4.0.  Similiar
> reasoning applies to rm, but not mkdir.
> 
> In 12 more hours I intend to revert the code on mkdir unless he steps
> forward and at least makes a comment.

Please don't revert anything - that will only add fuel to the fire.

Let's *discuss* this for an additional 48 hours and then try to come
to a concensus decision on these changes.  If we decide that -v isn't
worth all the freakin' contraversy then fine, it goes.  If we decide
that it's not hurting anything to stay and provides some sort of
provable functionality (which I must admit seems a bit sketchy right
now) then it can stay in.

All I know for certain is that two rules were broken by this commit
and should not be repeated:

1. They were committed while discussion was still in progress.  Some
   folks have chosen to substitute "discussion" for "Rod bitching
   pointlessly about this" but discussion is discussion.  There was
   no burning hurry to bring these in so they should have at least
   waited until you got tired and stomped off in disgust. :)

2. They broke the tree and were clearly tested in a very poor
   fashion. This should not have happened since a "make world" should
   have been done before the commit was ever made.

Whether the changes stay in or not, I hope that the committer(s)
in question realize that these procedural errors have made and
will make (should they ever be repeated) any changes needlessly
contraversial.

- Jordan


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