From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 18 9:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAC837B401 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D8FBD14; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16230; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:09:57 -0700 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8IG9Mk47190; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:09:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Stephen McKay Cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RMS: A threat to society? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010913023437.045fae70@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010913002733.05261930@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010912203732.0492cc80@localhost> <20010912225151.58FCD37B40B@hub.freebsd.org> <20010912215547.98067.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> <01091219512600.11358@proxy.the-i-pa.com> <20010912225428.A9675@citusc17.usc.edu> <4.3.2.7.2.20010913021952.045974f0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010913185102.0497c9e0@localhost> <15266.22869.722204.601040@guru.mired.org> <3BA3248D.5E47FDC9@mindspring.com> <200109181401.f8IE14h29150@dungeon.home> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 18 Sep 2001 09:09:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200109181401.f8IE14h29150@dungeon.home> Message-ID: Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stephen McKay writes: > On Saturday, 15th September 2001, Terry Lambert wrote: > > >his disdain > >for the rule of law (in his case, intellectual property law), > >and so on. > > Well, he certainly opposes intellectual property law, loudly and > frequently. But he doesn't break it, he uses it against people > who support it. That's "disdain" I suppose, but I think you > were implying criminality. http://www.progressive-comp.com/Lists/?l=berlin-design&m=93118897023514&w=2 Read the above post of his to an ML and tell us he doesn't have disdain for the rule of law (contract law in this case) and for fairness. And I see such disdain reasonably considered a disdain for people in general and take it personally. Zeal is a wonderful thing, but when it leads someone to behaviour that is, to put a book in a word, unfair, people should complain. As for criminality, I'm not sure that was implied. I'm fairly sure that including knowingly unenforcible clauses in license contracts is subject to legal sanction; probably not under criminal law, but I think that was your inference, not Terry's implication. As for IP law, Stallman clearly embraces the concept, in practice if not in law. Eliminate IP law and the closed-source developers, supported by the judicial system, would just revert to contract law, as would Stallman in his holy war to keep "free" software from being used by closed-source software developers. To be fair, Stallman's usual message reflects not a distain for the rule of law; just for particular laws. I'm sure we all have disdain for particular laws, but respect for the "rule" of even those laws. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message