From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 7 23:43:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A21106566C; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (marcuscom-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:ffff::1279]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C188FC14; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:2464::4] (shumai.marcuscom.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:2464::4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n37NhnD1028094; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:43:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Tim Kientzle In-Reply-To: <92cd2ff70904071637h362da63ua13c1f8eca6fc616@mail.gmail.com> References: <934e1d760904061455o4736d643o1d07e3292192d94c@mail.gmail.com> <1239075455.1908.36.camel@balrog.2hip.net> <49DACDBD.3030809@freebsd.org> <1239077210.1908.39.camel@balrog.2hip.net> <49DAD429.6090309@freebsd.org> <1239078081.1908.41.camel@balrog.2hip.net> <49DAE987.7090802@freebsd.org> <1239086408.35025.59.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20090407185915.GY31409@albert.catwhisker.org> <49DBA371.3080804@freebsd.org> <92cd2ff70904071637h362da63ua13c1f8eca6fc616@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Y2kLyzW29+fVSjT2lv6+" Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:43:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1239147806.98664.12.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on creme-brulee.marcuscom.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, Robert Noland Subject: Re: Hal and KDM breakage (was Re: KDE4 and input events stalled) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:43:44 -0000 --=-Y2kLyzW29+fVSjT2lv6+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:37 -0700, Tim Kientzle wrote: > See /usr/ports/x11/gdm/files/gdm.in. This is working for > GNOME users. > =20 >=20 > I agree that kdm and xdm should have rc.d scripts. Almost > every other system is enabled through rc.conf and kdm and > xdm should be the same. >=20 > But, there's an enormous amount of documentation > all over that says to enable kdm or xdm through /etc/ttys. > I consider this a real POLA problem. I think that we > need to continue to support the /etc/ttys mechanism > for a while longer (and add a comment to the stock > /etc/ttys to document that xdm/kdm/gdm shouldn't > be started that way). >=20 > I also feel pretty strongly that if kdm/xdm/gdm are all started > through rc.d, then we really have to fix the post-/etc/ttys > dependency handling. Your scripts are very confusing and > basically broken. For example, "REQUIRE: hald" has absolutely > no effect. Not directly, no. The gdm script does an additional wait to make sure lshal is working. So hald needs to be spawned. >=20 > Of course, I'm still confused about why hald has to start > after gettys. I thought the whole point of hald was to monitor > and publish changes to the system. Why can't it do the > same with available consoles? Is there some missing > kernel capability that makes this impossible? Or is > there an architectural issue with hald that makes this > harder than it sounds? It's not a question of what hal is doing, but rather how console-kit works (and hald depends on console-kit-daemon). It needs to be able to monitor each of the active vtys, but won't work if the vtys haven't been spawned yet. Bland did some work to correct this in -CURRENT, but it won't work on other versions. It was just easier to leave the hack in place. If this could be universally fixed in all supported versions of FreeBSD, then I would be happy to remove the hacks. Joe --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-Y2kLyzW29+fVSjT2lv6+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAknb5RwACgkQb2iPiv4Uz4fbUgCgk9yUf/ltM9BFzBJ1CwDuY5Cr uZUAn0nSamxuexF0KTY6/gLz//TrL2JS =nUzM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Y2kLyzW29+fVSjT2lv6+--