From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 03:18:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E313106566C for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 03:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from mail.stovebolt.com (mail.stovebolt.com [66.221.101.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4438FC13 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 03:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (cpe-24-175-90-48.tx.res.rr.com [24.175.90.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stovebolt.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E72EC11438F for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:02:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:02:18 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080606115349.452eea4b.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <200806051023.56065.jhb@freebsd.org> <1212684781.10665.81.camel@localhost> <8A3638B8BF777C9DF4AB354A@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <20080606115349.452eea4b.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) X-Munged-Reply-To: To reply - figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========1F4510CD20D46A1CF9D0==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:18:14 -0000 --==========1F4510CD20D46A1CF9D0========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On June 6, 2008 11:53:49 AM +0200 Manfred Usselmann=20 wrote: > > What you are saying sounds like a contradiction to me. On one side it > is just a hobby site and generates no income and on the other hand it > is a critical server with millions of hits and the box can't even go > down for a short time. > > What happens in case lets say your harddisk crashes? Something which is > not an exactly rare case... > Actually, that happened to us a couple of years ago, on the old server=20 while it still the only server, and I was on vacation 1600 miles away. We = ended up having to pay the hosting company to fix the hardware problem and = reinstall FreeBSD (which they unfortunately did a lousy job of), and then=20 I rebuilt the server and restored it to service over a dialup account=20 while on vacation. Many of our users are retired old guys who can barely figure out how to=20 use a computer. When the site goes down, some of them claim to go into=20 withdrawal. The total downtime for that incident was about two days, and=20 they "suffered" greatly. > If the users are not paying for the service they should be able to > accept a downtime, may it be scheduled or even completely unexpected. > Or pay / donate for a more reliable service (Redundant server as hot > standby / testbed etc.). > Actually, it was the owners who had to be convinced to accept donations=20 from the users, who were all too willing to help. The new server was=20 purchased with those donations. Maybe some day we *will* be able to=20 afford redundancy. Paul Schmehl If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. --==========1F4510CD20D46A1CF9D0==========--