From owner-freebsd-arch Sun Jun 23 8:54:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2304637B403; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5NFsfY70318; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5NFseG43961; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20020623.095430.112622070.imp@village.org> To: des@ofug.org Cc: bright@mu.org, will@csociety.org, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org, arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing XFree86 package via sysinstall: need X wrapper or not? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <20020622.225127.112566091.imp@village.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: : "M. Warner Losh" writes: : > Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: : > > Only users who haven't yet entered the 90s and discovered xdm. : > I think this attitude is not helpful. xdm broke badly on the last set : > up upgrades I did to X. startx is the only thing that still works for : > me. : : I don't think your attitude is helpful either. You should be trying : to figure out (or helping someone try to figure out) what's wrong with : xdm, rather than whining about it. Given the number of bugs that I have on my plate for PCCARD, and the hellish schedule at work, I desided to live with it rather than spend more time on it. It isn't whinging. I have a limited amount of time. I also am doing sufficient driver work that booting to X is a pain and starting it by hand is useful, so I've not been motivated to figure it out from that angle either. : Maybe *this* is what's really wrong with FreeBSD: people seem more : comfortable whining about bugs and building up grudges towards those : they think are responsible for them, than trying to actually fix them. Maybe. I wasn't blaming you for it, as I have no clue what the problem was. I'm pretty sure it isn't PAM since it broke when I upgraded X, not when I did an installworld. Now that the crunch time is over, I may find some time to deal. Maybe you are a hearing insult and derision where none was really meant. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message