From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 11:15:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32AA37B401; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1500A43E42; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3Q0032V822MX@mtaout01.icomcast.net>; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:15:38 -0400 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Real UNIX history (was: Congrats to Brett Glass for new BSD hist In-reply-to: <20021009122757.F16730@papagena.rockefeller.edu> To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Terry Lambert , Greg 'groggy' Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <1CFEAE72-DBB3-11D6-92E0-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 12:27 PM, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: >>>> UNIX was free, too. The consent decree from the Greene decision >>>> on the AT&T antitrust case forbit AT&T from making money from >>>> selling software. >>> >>> That didn't make it free. >> >> No, you;re right. It was the "them not charging for it" that made >> it free. 8-). > > Remind me again -- why was there a flap, across all three BSDs, about > Darren Reed's "no modification" licensing of IP Filter around a year > ago? He never tried to charge for it, did he? What was that fuss > about? > Reed clarified his license in regards to the no modification clause. He did not change a thing. Now this conflicts with the OpenBSD philosophy and created a possible conflict with all the *BSD's really. Net and Free came to an agreement with him on it. I do not know the exact particulars (I prefer ipfw so I am not as up to date with ipf). Well part of the flap was a pissing contest between theo and reed that basically got out of hand. Each party was partially right and partially wrong imho. Theo had every right to pull it from openbsd, Reed had every right to license his software how he wanted. Some urls http://false.net/ipfilter/2001_06/0078.html http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/news/story/0,2000025345,20231471,00.htm HTH --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message