From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 23 14:41:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3DB1948 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 14:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm45-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm45-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4945216F2 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 14:41:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1432392077; bh=1z1res8sf5wp4NoZEh7VXlhweDzAKdiCidgHE+lu+gQ=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=f8mEtZt/uKUJm/5zp5W+39Rb6cEbeRd8hM3JWIh2Hqoo4/fFrLLisu+xuUeYuEyDDAb4EgcZzloGD+hfcEO5Yxi0+wXlcSbaj5Y0LpZur/yT9cDe333A1tNHBdHvriHs1UkgeXzpQL/ifvzavP+8xuvi/OWCDqqLqu3Y6rd2kbJig4xoM1p+bbvefZ3otMIMwQ5ShGZ8XE92vbcNLmRO8cSVxfdcvYYSRMwMw+6mVtHtXm3ONIoLW2kU0lvfImf+bUgdIdNGRC50hj6P8o9KBH9Xjv0/OyH6yjxUjT1duAhq//umZvhI0pjfM5ItHP55D77rwcu24DYkHx8Pd1JOOg== Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm45.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2015 14:41:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.202] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2015 14:41:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2015 14:41:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 934431.56909.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: k5MVcRcVM1nttko4sAckVozEqWlro57m1uJv4aHBuLXokrs yXjGonwNO0Pftz_XndrorzLwOa_OQzPl_S3JfDu.UqpXaRPLCBR84NUON2EW 3jAJhbUwcSt8azuK8eM0C9nvWz72A6vZ6nZodO75qJ6hFNnZytSY3N2_vXWY GFDezNhcf2vzu9P2Kl9odFyEWW0Ty7.uFUfX4fXToOJ.FW4tsWhnOH_NMQkB vy5_1VKPRd8Mw5.zZJAzbiqUA1CX.BB1vOhJRBy4f28QMuQ2k5x1oJjbEZrN _5Mybd6OTf6ZuDCSLa2_KAZlh9WnnoJRJteMj4DtVvq1hfqCyJMeN6IluWXD na8JHLIXrU.xb_CgQ5qOWs7KXunbgQVjLwA8drG1EEeJT0rEZzH.qSZXbVXh PsT4edTQVxU6lc9qzecw3hvXJRfsS0cr2Z9rAp5mfT62svRWoJSF2oVH1Rmu HCZynZ6Ebs2UV3rXWaTWP9xMYaWjl93TPQBrLoYi3Lvf9eRMQSA3buUnHFKy h8XpoV4mQPjRyllPp5uZSs5PfrdngIEpS X-Yahoo-SMTP: xcjD0guswBAZaPPIbxpWwLcp9Unf Message-ID: <55609197.80501@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 09:41:27 -0500 From: Pedro Giffuni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp , Bryan Drewery CC: Oliver Pinter , Shawn Webb , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASLR work into -HEAD ? References: <555CADB6.202@FreeBSD.org> <555CC369.1030206@FreeBSD.org> <555FBE83.6080103@FreeBSD.org> <30918.1432362390@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <30918.1432362390@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:41:20 -0000 On 05/23/15 01:26, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > In message <555FBE83.6080103@FreeBSD.org>, Bryan Drewery writes: > >> This sort of argument easily turns into "why bother with security?". > That would be an extremely uninformed reaction. > > The correct reaction is: This is not something we can fix with > technology, it needs to be fixed at the political level. I agree, this is the correct reaction. Furthermore, and on a more pragmatical note, I think we can now come to understand that anything you do on the Internet is unlikely to be private for long. If you have something that you want to keep for yourself, think twice before you put it in your computer or, even worse, on the cloud. However brutal the NK regime may be they appear to have understood how to keep their information secure. Pedro.