From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 6 11:24:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F94816A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:24:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (f170.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C65D43D46 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:24:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26BOElR003175; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:24:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Charles M. Hannum" From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:06:04 GMT." <200503052106.05001.abuse@spamalicious.com> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:24:14 +0100 Message-ID: <3174.1110108254@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk cc: ALeine cc: elric@imrryr.org cc: briggs@netbsd.org cc: perry@piermont.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: tech-security@netbsd.org cc: ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: FUD about CGD and GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:24:24 -0000 In message <200503052106.05001.abuse@spamalicious.com>, "Charles M. Hannum" wri tes: >While you might claim that the dedication to study the user's behavior and >mount such an attack is fanciful, I claim that it is not. Under observation, >GBDE's additional techniques do not stand up to the claim of being "spook >strength". GBDE only makes that claim for a "cold disk" for pretty much the very reasons you mention. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.