From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 2 14:19:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FBF37B401 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1D643FBD for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52LJZMD001159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h52LJUC45911; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:19:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16091.48994.166392.824851@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:19:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Kenneth Culver In-Reply-To: <20030602162027.E11044-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> References: <16091.44150.539095.704531@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030602162027.E11044-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making a dynamically-linked root X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:19:37 -0000 Kenneth Culver writes: > > I don't want to sound harsh, and I do appreciate your work. However, > > I think the last thing FreeBSD needs now is to get slower. We're > > already far slower than that other free OS. Shouldn't we consider > > making the dynamic root optional and leaving a static root as > > standard? > > Since when are we "far slower" than the other free operating system? > According to all my benchmarks and personal use, the two are about the > same, with FreeBSD "feeling" slightly faster. That said, I think making > the / binaries dynamically linked optional is a good idea. Since SMPng. Try running webstone (available in ports) on a server with multiple 10/100 links, or a gig link. By any metric you choose, 5.x is slower than 4.x, and much slower than linux. Note this is not intended to be a criticism of SMPng. Once the locking in 5.x is completed, I think things will look a _LOT_ better. But as it is now, we're paying most of the price and not reaping many benefits because too much of the system is still under Giant. Drew