From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 10:42:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D72716A41F; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:42:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8501F43D46; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:42:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (ppp232-237.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.232.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.5/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05AgBiw082555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:12:12 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Jo Rhett Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:11:58 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <200512231126.51500.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060105093220.GJ1358@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060105093220.GJ1358@svcolo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4565128.1sz4yHWUgZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200601052112.09446.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current , Peter Jeremy , stable@freebsd.org, K?vesd?n G?bor Subject: Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:42:37 -0000 --nextPart4565128.1sz4yHWUgZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:02, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:26:44AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > How do you expect these two to be handled in a binary upgrade? > > I can't see how it's possible.. > > Look around. Every major commercial OS does it just fine. Most of the > open source OSes do it just fine. Debian had probably the easiest to use > system, and they've risen, owned the world and fallen all while FreeBSD h= as > been debating this issue. You appear to be misunderstanding what I said. I'm not arguing binary upgrades shouldn't be done but I'm suggesting that i= t=20 isn't NECESSARY to version and package the base install to do it. > > I don't think integrating it with the core OS (whatever that means) will > > magically fix this. > > If you knew what it meant, you would understand why it would help. Ah what a great explanation of what is meant. There are several people who don't know what is meant here and I haven't se= en=20 a decent explanation forthcoming. > > Not having run jails I am not very qualified to comment > > Exactly. Sorry, not trying to be rude but if you have never felt the pain > don't try and say it doesn't exist. Just because I don't run jails doesn't mean I don't know the pain of upgrad= ing=20 a system. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart4565128.1sz4yHWUgZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDvPgB5ZPcIHs/zowRAptBAJ9nSXeZUYkCicFxhv5CrNcuAQ7e/gCdFTXh oT226YogorSiHAgu2EmN0hs= =SGCC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4565128.1sz4yHWUgZ--