From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 16:11:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC2A16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:11:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from whitehall.lin-tech.net (whitehall.lin-tech.net [66.118.35.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFB243D1D for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:11:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: from [209.34.61.145] (lfkn-adsl-dhcp-62-145.txucom.net [209.34.61.145]) by whitehall.lin-tech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACBAFDAD; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:11:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <40F2B7D9.3020902@buckhorn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:10:01 -0500 From: Bob Martin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040614 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabriel Ambuehl References: <751891933.20040712151802@buz.ch> In-Reply-To: <751891933.20040712151802@buz.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd and fprot cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Affordable IP KVMs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:11:00 -0000 We came up with an alternative solution to the IP KVM. Good, old fashioned, terminal servers. We have an old Livingston PM2E, and our servers are set up to use the serial console instead of a console. The whole setup was less than $100. And as an added bonus, we now have remote access to our TC 1000 and switch consoles. (This would work well for a Cisco too, but we use FBSD routers instead) There are 2 "gotcha's". This won't work for NT servers, and unless your MB supports truly headless operations, you can't access the machine's boot. (Most SuperMicro Server MB's will support headless operation, as will a lot of the newer 1U servers) When combined with a remote power switch, and NIC's with boot ROM's, this does create a really cost effective remote solution. I have even re-formated and reloaded OS's this way. As far as IP KVM's go, you're much better off getting a good one. I managed some servers for some folks that tried using cheap IP KVM's. Lost time, production and trips to the co-lo quickly made a $1200 IP KVM more expensive than the $5100 Cyclades that eventually replaced it. If you're only working with one remote server, a modem and a headless MB is the only way to go. If you're box doesn't do headless, Cyclades makes a remote management card for about $700 (retail) that will solve the problem, and give you remote power cycling as well. Bob Martin Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > Slightly off topic but I assume some people here would know one thing > or two about it... > > I'm in the market for some bullet proof remote administration product > (most likely IP KVM but I'm open to other solutions). 99% of all work > I can obviously do with ssh but the remaining ones when the server is > actually DOWN is were fast fixing is required the most. So what do you > people use for remote access to boxes who don't repond anymore? Any > pointers to "cheap" IP KVMs (somewhere in the 1000$ range as opposed > to the 5000$ one at which point it's probably cheaper to get redundant > servers in first place...)? > > (I know about the serial console and while it certainly has its uses, > I'm looking for something *really* bullet proof, enabling me to mess > with BIOS etc as well). > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"