From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 14:28:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A29106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shadow@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D948FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shadow@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1722004yxb.13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:28:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+G1ob+vFpNJ11rtX3rvl+PP8XLw4DkM34NtMxDvipBA=; b=I+VJ05GKJZqtg2qwRgeL43kQbjo2/AcYInUDO5TC66FkaoFKRFg+VB7OxHq+QGFk5w 8WJDvwmEvA+4ktcfxMlJO9gFUoeBFDIET2Yw+F9cLpleW/8Vy90uCiWhIc4dOA1BmCCX PpkFXvRn2xd0pzxxasbnK+oTm/PmzE95dPeNo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=D+hJ3LbvfPbKdJS1SoWCIQ7+5DC8E3MGTkWykGrV8QMefyx0vvuuxGEn+HvN6MJZLD 0ErU3/oG/5Xedn1bYHPLYAtY00W0fn+dv2cH4tJ7ImJjs5CWCLybQEyWo8t7w62QOOqv +Qkx4W9gklzxOvxfhcBmgH2fCpQphQO8EetAE= Received: by 10.151.41.14 with SMTP id t14mr14836793ybj.54.1229437701610; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:28:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.153.1 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:28:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:28:21 -0500 From: "Derrick Brashear" To: ElBarto In-Reply-To: <4947B7C4.8030004@arcadebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37396849@bs1.sp34.ru> <01705453@bs1.sp34.ru> <49453004.9010107@linuxbox.com> <83768316_-_@bs1.sp34.ru> <4947B153.5060101@arcadebsd.org> <4947B7C4.8030004@arcadebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openafs server executables X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:22 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:14 AM, ElBarto wrote: > Derrick Brashear wrote: > >> >> >> So if I install openafs-client and openafs-server I'll have fs at >> two different place ? Seems ugly to me. >> >> >> Sounds subjective to me :) >> >> > > What do you propose for the path of the redundant binaries ? > Putting the extra copies in sbin > > > >> As I said vos and bos are useless to an user so they should be in >> the server port. >> >> >> Repeating yourself doesn't make me more likely to agree. >> >> I suppose it depends how atuned to afs the user is but vos will check >> quotas where ACLs do not permit, (think help desk staffed by non admins) and >> bos can be used to verify that a server is unreachable because, say, it >> crashed, or what restart times are. (same idea) >> >> As a student I used them for those purposes uncompensated. >> > > fs listquota is not enough for you ? (it's a real question, not ironic) fs lq /afs/dementia.org/usr/shadow and tell me the quota. Then vos examine user.shadow -c dementia.org > I kind of disagree for splitting the openafs ports cause as you say some > commands are useful (more or less) for both client and server part, but as > it seems that it's going to be that way, I want the port to be clean and > with no redundancy. > The thing is you can't use the some vos command without a client (vos dump, > restore etc ...) but those commands are not intend to users. vos dump can be used without a client. > > Quoting the openafs administration reference : > > The commands in the vos command suite are the administrative interface to > the Volume Server and Volume Location (VL) Server. System administrators use > vos commands to create, move, delete, replicate, back up and examine > volumes, among other operations. > > But I think you know that but know you see my point. > You could say that I am intimately versed in the functionality of the pieces and their intended and actual purposes. > > > -- > Emmanuel Vadot > elbarto@arcadebsd.org > > -- Derrick