From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 16 12:18:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC82FAB1 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@fastmail.net) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83C6C5F6 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@fastmail.net) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5B220801 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:18:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.net; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=ZPcoULLVoEyDYDdJBKYVA/kfbEE=; b=eaAJrk jexqoFUslcNFReFy50da+Un0ic67iUUHUmYaFqLUtXanntcbs716TZA7hp+w+U3o qW9THfXtrihoNU8jdxZDs5yK8Mwi3cvyGAfXtwlXPgiYmh7ll/318mUdEv7qMFYf LzSSlxFvg+AKzaY8Pwpv819dMySBKnOR2H/Ok= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=ZPcoULLVoEyDYDd JBKYVA/kfbEE=; b=e8hSGikBc8LKBFFJyacwoGoOh1ufTaFsbvfxFpTes8nfA8x jx5W/1PRbUATl6XRgo66TDOiVv5NgBQzUAPj0zc7GgGLFSBZhyiJY7SDiZkh4hzq jGMmGVPvUqd2X7o8bd8vDQRDw4CpnHVuMTqaaPLrWX/ynY+M8QKX8KwjamVc= X-Sasl-enc: +Q53PuNKc/9/trskVp6bSZrl2G/Niyv33VWtWBW19YKJ 1434457096 Received: from [192.168.1.91] (unknown [94.194.112.252]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2E6AB6800EB; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55801406.5060202@fastmail.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:18:14 +0100 From: Bruce Simpson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh , Bryan Drewery CC: Garrett Cooper , Slawa Olhovchenkov , Craig Rodrigues , Marcel Moolenaar , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , Marcel Moolenaar , "src-committers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> <860017ED-D754-450C-865D-2D81A30C2212@xcllnt.net> <20150614100045.GF58397@zxy.spb.ru> <45B665F4-B81F-439B-89DC-6D27BA96F87D@gmail.com> <557F033A.1060006@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:48:32 +0000 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:18:23 -0000 On 15/06/2015 19:49, Warner Losh wrote: > I’ve yet to see why ls —libxo is better than a separate program articulated > anywhere other than "libxo all the things.” Having a clear statement about > why it is needed, why changing it vs having a separate program, etc would > help. But is seems overly gratuitous with little benefit. +1, I don't see how libxo-ized ls(1) adds value. e.g. in Python, one can use pathlib and scandir to walk arbitrarily wide and deep hierarchies, much as 'file ... | xargs foo'. It has even (with hard work by koobs) supported FreeBSD's stat.st_flags since 2.3. So anything ls(1) can do, Python could do anyway.