From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 12:54:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B2C16A408 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D801243D45 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:54:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id e30so536155pya for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KNMW1xHmtTigrMfHfG01ZLUSxSTCkNM4mZ196zW4RZTaHRMsfPvT5kfPYDVCdKEYdOXRNFiiqzxM4iRnHpHMOsS+mn4RCgVro2pDbs5j/VARyqx7v4Hd0gu99hP/7yTs3i4K/AIO2cod022G9SJQbgNMtZuSDbHXbUCJgMg0FkI= Received: by 10.35.131.4 with SMTP id i4mr1730688pyn; Fri, 12 May 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.29.20 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0605120553i2ccc0b6es8901e15a5ab83318@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:53:58 +0100 From: Chris To: "Matthias Andree" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <44600A42.7030600@samsco.org> <44601F4A.9070802@elischer.org> <446021DE.6040507@rogers.com> <20060511210912.GA1344@zaphod.nitro.dk> <4463DC96.70908@rogers.com> <446402BB.7050201@alumni.rice.edu> <44640422.1000006@rogers.com> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.1 Released X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:54:04 -0000 On 12/05/06, Matthias Andree wrote: > Mike Jakubik writes: > > > Jonathan Noack wrote: > >> The *entire* errata page was from 6.0; it was a mistake. This wasn't > >> some "put on the rose-colored classes and gloss over major issues" > >> thing. It was a long release cycle and something was forgotten. C'es= t > >> la vie. It's always a good idea to check the most up-to-date version = of > >> the errata page on the web anyway, so it's *not* too late to update it= . > >> > >> > > > > How convenient. These problems needed to be addressed in the release > > notes, not some on line version. > > You lost connection to the ground, Mike. Come back please :-) > > People make mistakes, and that applies to both the code as to the > documentation, and users will know that sometimes problems will be found > only after the release so they'll check online later when running into a > problem. The 6.1 release announcement already mentioned the errata > lapsus BTW and asked people to check on-line, so it appears someone's > asking for perfection -- but it was decided months ago to stick to a > schedule rather than making perfect releases. > > Having said that, 6.1 is a real and visible improvement over 6.0 for me. > 6.1 is usable, where 6.0 toppled over every few minutes (I'm talking > about ral(4) and other nasty stuff such as tmpfs/mdmfs panics in 6.0 - > ral(4) is what prompted me to do the 5.4->6.0 upgrade). > > -- > Matthias Andree agreed whilst 6.1 isnt bug free lets not forget its a massive improvement over 6.0 in terms of stability, I still havent seen a lockup/crash on any of my 6.1 servers and they are all prerelease. It did shock me tho they didnt simply repackage the 6.1 release with updated errata notes it will look amatuerish to have outdated notes in the package. Chris