Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mini <mini@micron.efn.org> To: Peter Mutsaers <plm@xs4all.nl> Cc: Sean Eric Fagan <sef@Kithrup.COM>, emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status report of vm86/dos emulation Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.91.970224183042.15699D-100000@micron.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <199702242120.WAA05181@plm.xs4all.nl>
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On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Peter Mutsaers wrote: > >> On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:40:53 -0800, Sean Eric Fagan <sef@Kithrup.COM> said: > > SEF> P.S. As an aside, I've (sadly) come to the conclusion that > SEF> dos emulation is essentially worthless. WINE or Wabi (or > SEF> similar) is the way to go, it seems. Oh, you could probably > SEF> use a DOS emulator to do the installation, and having a > SEF> decent DOS emulator built into WINE or Wabi (or similar) is > SEF> probably a really good idea... but there's not a lot that you > SEF> get with a pure DOS emulator, which is what we currently > SEF> have. Maybe if/when we get DOSEMU working, we may have more > SEF> luck. SEF > > For some of us it is really useful. My main reason to switch to > DOS/Windows is an electroninc banking application under DOS. It would > be great if I could run it under FreeBSD. I use (on a day to day basis) FreeBSD in conjunction with Watcom C/C++. This seems evil, and it is, but I happen to use FreeBSD all of the time, and I am developing a 32-bit DOS-based app under Watcom C/C++ (I spent the well-worth-it money to get DOS/4GW and a kick ass compiler, djgpp -- though free -- doesn't do half of what I need, and Watcom's optimization is not broken, unlike gcc's. This is important in my line of work) Wine's emulation, although great for windows apps, won't help me a bit for my _DOS BASED_ compiler/debugger suit. Even though Watcom has made a Windows GUI, it is really only a shoddy GUI pipe in front of a few command line processes. (i'm serious) If any of you have ever tried using make under DOS, you'll know my sorrows. Not to mention the fact that cvs is a UNIX thing. The ability to just run my compiler and/or debugger from FreeBSD is a tremendous improvement. (Watcom's debugging supports everything in god's creation, even TCP/IP. (as if TCP/IP were this wierd unheard of standard, nobody else seems to support it) just because GUI's look cool, doesn't mean that there aren't any up-to-date powerful utilities that really only come in DOS-binary form. Right now, my DOS machine exists solely for my compiler and Photoshop. With wine i hope to one day run Photoshop, and with doscmd I hope to one day run my DOS/4GW compiler. =) Jonathan Mini (j_mini@efn.org) ... bleakness ... desolation ... plastic forks ...
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