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Date:      Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:16:02 -0500 (EST)
From:      <mike@seidata.com>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@whistle.com>
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Cobalt blames linux for their security problems!
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902270211230.4716-100000@ns1.seidata.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.95.990226192359.12223W-100000@current1.whistle.com>

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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Julian Elischer wrote:

> There's a good idea.. use a free OS and then blame it for your problems..

Tell me about it...  here's my response.

<quote>
In the recent (Feb. 25th) article, "Teenager Finds Web-Server Hole" by 
Polly Sprenger, I'd like to comment on the following quote:

"Vivek Mehra, vice president of product development at Cobalt, said 
the hole, which could give a hacker access to a history file
documenting a user's activities, wasn't specific  to their appliance,
but to the Linux operating system. Righi disagreed and said RaQ's  
default settings are to blame."

Namely, I'd like to express 100% agreement...  with Righi.  Mr. 
Mehra's comment clearly shows a lack of technical prowess, and is
hopefully not shared by Cobalt.

I can immediately think of three "quick fixes" to the history file 
hole...

First, you can (as suggested) simply disable the history file, or 
symlink it so that no  information is saved.  This is a "work around", 
however, not a real fix.

Two other (preferred) methods would be a.) place the administrative
home and web server home under different directories and b.)
configure Apache (the HTTP server Cobalt runs) to disallow web
viewing of the history file.

Regardless of which method you choose, it is neither Linux' or 
Apache's fault.  It's also not the shell's fault.  It's Cobalt's
fault.

We're all human.  We all make mistakes.  The difference between moving
on after a mistake with maintained respect by your peers and
wallowing in finger-pointing techniques that show your own stupidity
is one that Mr. Mehra (hopefully not Cobalt as a whole) has 
apparently not yet grasped.
</quote>

I had actually looked into some of Cobalt's products...  must say I've
lost quite a bit of respect for them as a result of their reponse to
this issue.  Then again, what's to consider anyway...  They don't run
FreeBSD.  ;)

--
 Mike Hoskins
 Systems/Network Administrator
 SEI Data Network Services, Inc.
 http://www.seidata.com
 
 "In a world where an admin is rendered useless when the ball in his
 mouse has been taken out, its good to know that I know UNIX."
                                                -- toaster.sun4c.net
 




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