From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Jul 13 15:53:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C7EB98638 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 357371778 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u6DFrsC6058452 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) To: In-Reply-To: <20160713090506.GK20831@zxy.spb.ru> References: <5784908E.1090007@ShaneWare.Biz> <2d3ef451db7ad0b9149c9eceb04227c8@ultimatedns.net>, <20160713090506.GK20831@zxy.spb.ru> From: "Chris H" Subject: Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:54:02 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=fixed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-id: <0861cc7b90c24d1a5bb41f33a54bef96@ultimatedns.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: udns.ultimatedns.net; Sender-ip: 127.0.0.1; Sender-helo: ultimatedns.net; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:53:54 -0000 On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:05:06 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler > > wrote > > > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe > > > > it's time to move on from CD. > > > > > > +1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10 years and I > > > don't believe I have seen a CD only drive in that time. Even with a CD > > > size image I have burnt them to DVD, I first started this because > > > transfer speeds of DVD's are faster and nowadays it costs almost the > > > same to burn a DVD. So I see zero benefit to using CD's and that's > > > before thinking of reusable USB devices. > > > > > > I do think there is a benefit to keeping the small boot only image > > > available that can be used to start/recover a machine that can then > > > download any data to be installed. > > > > > > -- > > > FreeBSD - the place to B...Storing Data > > > > > > Shane Ambler > > > > > > > -1 > > There is no *good* reason that FreeBSD can't maintain the CD image. > > I think the *real* question here is; *why* is it now so hard to fit > > it on a CD? > > clang main binary now 50MB size (27MB for 10.x) -- on live FS and in > base.txz. 11.x now ship lldb (on live FS too) -- 50MB also binary -- on live > FS and in base.txz. > kernel now 26M vs 12M on 10.3. > kernel with modules now 115MB vs 54MB on 10.3 > total size of *.a now 50M (vs 48M). > > All binaries slightly bigger: usr/bin/ld from 1580008 to 1615912 (+2%). Thank you very much for posting the stats, Slawa! Yikes. The kernel is now *twice* the size?! Is bigger really better? I understand that clang is largely responsible. But do the ends truly justify the means? What's the cruft factor? You know; new ideas get started then life, or other things get in the way, and it stalls. Leaving cruft in the source. With the hopes of completing it at a later date. Sorry, I haven't (yet) had the time to download a new iso image and examine this, myself. Honestly, these numbers are really depressing. :( --Chris --