From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 3 12:37:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A936A106566B for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E66C8FC0A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from [80.217.86.51] (c80-217-86-51.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.86.51]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n23CbCio052431; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:37:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <49AD2473.5080904@bah.homeip.net> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:37:07 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Da Rock References: <630286c70902270134u18505882xbabf547190ae8747@mail.gmail.com> <20090228191416.2421e88a@scorpio> <49AA19F4.2060408@bah.homeip.net> <200902282237.26322.chuckop@gmail.com> <1236082399.99160.6.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <1236082399.99160.6.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:37:17 -0000 Da Rock said the following on 2009-03-03 13:13: > On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 22:37 -0800, Charles Oppermann wrote: >>>> That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply >>>> open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the >>>> EULA. >>> Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid in Sweden. >> That would be tantamount to allowing software piracy in Sweden. The Mac OS X >> license agreements are contained in a PDF file here: >> >> http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf >> >> There is a Swedish language agreement for sales in Sweden. Using on-line >> translation tools, it appears to be similar to what's already been stated; >> use of the software consistutes acceptance of the agreement. If you do not >> agree, you are requested to return the software. Presumably, the retail >> materials contain this agreement, and I'm sure there is digital copy that is >> presented and must be agreed to before use. >> >> I'm sure that Apple has very good lawyers who drafted the license agreements >> and are aware of Swedish law. While what you are doing may or may not be in >> violation of any licenses, your position that "clicking yes or no is not a >> handshake or oral agreement acording to Swedish law" seems dubious and >> ill-advised. >> >> Consider what you're suggesting: If EULA's and license agreements simply >> weren't valid in Sweden, then what would prevent massive piracy from >> occuring? I would assume that if license agreements in Sweden weren't >> enforcable, someone would be setting up their own software copying business. > I don't see how one could assume that software piracy (copying software > illegally in this context) would be suddenly legal based simply on the > eula being invalid. EULA's are for the USE of software- not the copying > and selling of those copies of it. Exactly! EULAs is for the use of programs. BUT you can NOT make an agreement like MS or apples EULAs or any EULA that reads "doing this you agree to that"