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Date:      Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:26:02 -0800
From:      Michael DeMan <freebsd@deman.com>
To:        Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Filesystems <freebsd-fs@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: RFC: Suggesting ZFS "best practices" in FreeBSD - mapping logical to physical drives
Message-ID:  <32F8B97D-DE8D-4876-B127-91BE6AB9A854@deman.com>
In-Reply-To: <20130123085832.GJ30633@server.rulingia.com>
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Except that does not work when the technician just needs to know which =
darn physical disk to remove/replace by looking at the front of the box?

I think possibly on this thread we are discussing some major topics - =
all of which would be good categories within a 'best practices' =
document?

#1.  Best practices for design.
#2.  Best practices for maintenance (logical)  - ZFS 'halt scrub' would =
be awesome), when to scrub, etc - how to label your disks, blends into =
#3...
#3.  Best practices for physical maintenance - i.e at the end of the day =
ZFS theoretical break down if somebody can't look at the front of the =
machine and figure out which disk was the bad one?

Maintenance (in my definition) including the scenario where the guy =
changing the disk is not necessarily a FreeBSD wizard and =
all-knowledgable about gpart, gnop, glabel and such?

Some idea that whoever designs, builds, deploys and then maintains the =
physical server over a 3-7 year service life - that one person is =
supposed to do all of that does not work well either for small =
businesses or large businesses?

Sorta off topic on this - sorry.




On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:58 AM, Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com> wrote:

> On 2013-Jan-22 18:06:27 -0800, Michael DeMan <freebsd@deman.com> =
wrote:
>> # OAIMFD 2011.04.13 adding this to force ordering on adaX disks=20
>> # dev.mvs.0.%desc: Marvell 88SX6081 SATA controller=20
>> # dev.mvs.1.%desc: Marvell 88SX6081 SATA controller=20
>>=20
>> hint.scbus.0.at=3D"mvsch0"
>> hint.ada.0.at=3D"scbus0"=20
> ...
>=20
> That only works until a BIOS or OS change alters the probe order and
> reverses the controller numbers.
>=20
> The correct solution to the problem is gpart labels - which rely on
> on-disk metadata and so don't care about changes in the path to the
> disk.
>=20
> --=20
> Peter Jeremy




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