From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 13 22:12:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3F316A417; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from corbulon.video-collage.com (static-151-204-231-237.bos.east.verizon.net [151.204.231.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54DD43CBC; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:10:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from mteterin.us.murex.com (mx-broadway [38.98.68.18]) by corbulon.video-collage.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDMBv9B094375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:11:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com) From: Mikhail Teterin Organization: Virtual Estates, Inc. To: Scott Long Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:11:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <20061213192150.CF83D16A417@hub.freebsd.org> <200612131440.04076.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <4580766A.600@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <4580766A.600@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612131711.50921.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/2324/Wed Dec 13 11:04:08 2006 on corbulon.video-collage.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:03:37 +0000 Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Let's use gcc-4.2, not 4.1 -- OpenMP X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:12:08 -0000 середа 13 грудень 2006 16:53, Scott Long написав: > And I say that FreeBSD shouldn't be a beta-tester for new, experimental > compiler features. We don't have to start using OpenMP in the base and no port will be _forced_ to use it either. But having a compiler _capable of it_ will be very good. Unless you deem the entire gcc-4.2 to be "new and experimental" (I think, 4.3 is such), your above-quoted argument is not valid. > I also say that words and opinions are cheaper than actions. Thank you very much, Scott, for this timely and uniquely insightful reminder. This important point is almost never raised on the FreeBSD mailing lists, which so often leads participants to think, that actions are cheaper than words and opinions. We are moving from gcc-3.x to gcc-4.1. Compared to _that_ move, the difference between 4.1 and 4.2 is not very large. If you think otherwise -- please say so explicitly. Thank you. -mi