From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 22 05:32:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA18809 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 05:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18804 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 05:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA21551 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:31:43 GMT Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:31:11 +0000 Received: from tees.elsevier.co.uk (tees.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.60]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA08656; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:31:04 GMT Received: (from dpr@localhost) by tees.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id NAA03808; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:29:53 GMT To: Nate Williams Cc: Michael Smith , gclarkii@main.gbdata.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? We do! References: <199611220051.RAA13441@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199611220101.LAA15889@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199611220107.SAA13545@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Paul Richards Date: 22 Nov 1996 13:29:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: Nate Williams's message of Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:07:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <57lobufeb3.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams writes: > Let's see those tools, and then I'll shutup. Again, there are lots of > *useful* things that we could bring in, but they aren't used and/or > essential. Should we bring in Python as well, and what about the new > Limbo compiler from the folks at Lucent (nee Bell Labs). What about the > ADA compiler from the GNU folks? Where do you draw the line between > 'useful to some' and 'bloat'. When "some" becomes a significant percentage of "users". > It was decided a *LONG* time ago that unless a utility was part of the > standard BSD distribution and/or was required for the running system it > shouldn't be part of the tree. I don't ever recall this. > 'libforms' was recently deleted since it was a 'good idea' that never > came to pass. It might have been a useful tool, but *FreeBSD* doesn't > use it. Hell, even I don't use it and I wrote it. It should never have gone into the tree in the first place but people have differing opinions about how to use cvs and at the time it was a way to get the code shared amongst the developers. -- Paul Richards. Originative Solutions Ltd. (Netcraft Ltd. contractor) Elsevier Science TIS online journal project. Email: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155